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Post by sid on Nov 24, 2018 10:47:55 GMT
What impact, if any, was there on services yesterday (Friday)? Seems everything ran pretty much as normal, obviously having spare buses there ready for the 51 helped considerably.
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Post by Paul on Nov 24, 2018 12:17:05 GMT
What impact, if any, was there on services yesterday (Friday)? From the outside it seemed to me like there was minimal impact. Indeed, by Thursday afternoon it appeared to me that services were relatively normal. It’s been said but bears repeating - the boys and girls at MB did a marvellous job on Thursday under very difficult circumstances The only unusual thing I noticed on Friday was E4 (I think!) on the 684 complete with LED destination blinds. There was a young lad waiting on it at Biggin Hill on Friday afternoon presumably to take a photo. I say that because he took a photo of my bus when I pulled up at the stop outside the Black Horse - the second time in 45 minutes I’d had my bus photographed that day! And no, I still haven’t seen myself! And in case anyone was wondering - Jail Lane is shut and buses cannot access Charles Darwin School so both the 664 and 684 have been starting and finishing at the Black Horse pub leaving the little angels to walk up and down Jail Lane to and from school
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Post by sid on Nov 24, 2018 13:24:01 GMT
Shocking to hear such things about people wishing it tp happen to other buses instead of MECs, bunch of idiots. There are 8000+ buses in London and such stupid thoughts. They should have wished the Fire didn’t happen at all. Unfortunately it did, buses are replaceable. I do wonder if such enthusiasts will rather someone to burn instead of a bus because the way people comment on some groups these days makes you want to throw up. Thank goodness no one lost their lives. 11 Buses have burned, which is unfortunate but no one lost their lives. Yes, I despise LTs but I don't want to see any burned, either in or out of service. In fact, given TfL's financial woes, I want them to continue in service as long as planned, given their resale value will be zilch. Passengers, and the bus routes themselves, are way more important than our individual petards about the buses used on them. Forgive me asking but how can you seriously say that you despise a type of bus? All the more bizarre given your screen name. Don't particularly like it............yes I get that but if you just want to get somewhere surely a bus is a bus? Or is it just the person synonymous with the LT that you despise?
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Post by galwhv69 on Nov 24, 2018 14:12:59 GMT
Yes, I despise LTs but I don't want to see any burned, either in or out of service. In fact, given TfL's financial woes, I want them to continue in service as long as planned, given their resale value will be zilch. Passengers, and the bus routes themselves, are way more important than our individual petards about the buses used on them. Forgive me asking but how can you seriously say that you despise a type of bus? All the more bizarre given your screen name. Don't particularly like it............yes I get that but if you just want to get somewhere surely a bus is a bus? Or is it just the person synonymous with the LT that you despise? Are you seriously saying this? What is wrong with not liking a bus?As long as they don't go to extreme measures to burn them on purpose etc. then thats fine.If a have a bit of spare time (like 10 minutes) and I want to travel on the 333 and the bus is a HA,I will sometimes wait for a HV if its the next bus along.I seriously don't see your point and someones username has nothing to do with this,what if my username was I Love BN but hated LT's that are there?Whats wrobg with that.Nothing
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Post by marlon101 on Nov 24, 2018 14:25:42 GMT
What impact, if any, was there on services yesterday (Friday)? Seems everything ran pretty much as normal, obviously having spare buses there ready for the 51 helped considerably. Thank you (and to Paul ) I worked a pretty long day again and didn't have an opportunity to look at how services were running.
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Post by sid on Nov 24, 2018 16:54:40 GMT
Forgive me asking but how can you seriously say that you despise a type of bus? All the more bizarre given your screen name. Don't particularly like it............yes I get that but if you just want to get somewhere surely a bus is a bus? Or is it just the person synonymous with the LT that you despise? Are you seriously saying this? What is wrong with not liking a bus?As long as they don't go to extreme measures to burn them on purpose etc. then thats fine.If a have a bit of spare time (like 10 minutes) and I want to travel on the 333 and the bus is a HA,I will sometimes wait for a HV if its the next bus along.I seriously don't see your point and someones username has nothing to do with this,what if my username was I Love BN but hated LT's that are there?Whats wrobg with that.Nothing Not liking a bus is one thing...........saying you despise it is something else. As for usernames..............no I'll leave it at that!
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Post by galwhv69 on Nov 24, 2018 17:01:22 GMT
Are you seriously saying this? What is wrong with not liking a bus?As long as they don't go to extreme measures to burn them on purpose etc. then thats fine.If a have a bit of spare time (like 10 minutes) and I want to travel on the 333 and the bus is a HA,I will sometimes wait for a HV if its the next bus along.I seriously don't see your point and someones username has nothing to do with this,what if my username was I Love BN but hated LT's that are there?Whats wrobg with that.Nothing Not liking a bus is one thing...........saying you despise it is something else. As for usernames..............no I'll leave it at that! I won't cause a further argument from this but if you despise something its alright and no harm is caused with one person despising something
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Post by busaholic on Nov 24, 2018 19:28:53 GMT
Yes, I despise LTs but I don't want to see any burned, either in or out of service. In fact, given TfL's financial woes, I want them to continue in service as long as planned, given their resale value will be zilch. Passengers, and the bus routes themselves, are way more important than our individual petards about the buses used on them. Forgive me asking but how can you seriously say that you despise a type of bus? All the more bizarre given your screen name. Don't particularly like it............yes I get that but if you just want to get somewhere surely a bus is a bus? Or is it just the person synonymous with the LT that you despise? 1st line - yes 2nd line - if you read and digested my post i made the point that the public just want to get from A to B, preferably by as few buses as possible and in the quickest time possible. 3rd line - not only despise, but loathe. If there were any justice, I'd like to see him face criminal charges sometime after 29th March next year for his part in the undermining of the U.K. (amongst other activities) and, yes, I'm deadly serious and, no, I have no intention of debating that further on here or anywhere else.
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Post by sid on Nov 24, 2018 19:51:14 GMT
Forgive me asking but how can you seriously say that you despise a type of bus? All the more bizarre given your screen name. Don't particularly like it............yes I get that but if you just want to get somewhere surely a bus is a bus? Or is it just the person synonymous with the LT that you despise? 1st line - yes 2nd line - if you read and digested my post i made the point that the public just want to get from A to B, preferably by as few buses as possible and in the quickest time possible. 3rd line - not only despise, but loathe. If there were any justice, I'd like to see him face criminal charges sometime after 29th March next year for his part in the undermining of the U.K. (amongst other activities) and, yes, I'm deadly serious and, no, I have no intention of debating that further on here or anywhere else. We all have our own opinions about politicians, I don't loathe any of them though whatever they're persuasion. Anyway this has nothing to do with the LT so not really much more to be said.
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Post by redbus on Nov 24, 2018 20:04:02 GMT
Forgive me asking but how can you seriously say that you despise a type of bus? All the more bizarre given your screen name. Don't particularly like it............yes I get that but if you just want to get somewhere surely a bus is a bus? Or is it just the person synonymous with the LT that you despise? Are you seriously saying this? What is wrong with not liking a bus?As long as they don't go to extreme measures to burn them on purpose etc. then thats fine.If a have a bit of spare time (like 10 minutes) and I want to travel on the 333 and the bus is a HA,I will sometimes wait for a HV if its the next bus along.I seriously don't see your point and someones username has nothing to do with this,what if my username was I Love BN but hated LT's that are there?Whats wrobg with that.Nothing Hah!!!! As you may know I am not the greatest fan of the double deck Volvo Hybrid chassis with I-shift gearbox. Yesterday I let a VH 139 go by as there was an ADH a few minutes behind. I got on the ADH only for it to have a curtailment at the next stop so it would not reach my destination!!! Laughing about it now
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Post by VWH1414 on Nov 25, 2018 13:37:41 GMT
Seen a few more pictures of the aftermath: E60 - More damaged then originally thought, most of the bottom deck is burnt out as well as a lot of the right hand side of the bus - Definitely won't come back E94 - Back end/majority of bottom deck pretty much burnt out, not fully destroyed though, but looks like if they did bother to repair it, it would be way more then the value of the bus so almost definitely won't come back E211 - Literally just mangled chassis left - Definitely not coming back E224 - Very badly damaged at the back, but possibly repairable, although I don't know if they will as it would probably be an expensive repair EN33 - Interior burnt beyond repair, but has literally crumpled in on itself from one side - definitely not coming back EN37 - Again literally just mangled chassis left - Definitely not coming back Pretty much already been established that MEC54/MEC56/MEC60 are beyond dead and that SEN21 is possibly savable but like E224 they may just decide the scrap it depending on if it worth repairing (i.e. depending on cost of repair against value of bus)
Still not seen any photos of EH18, so can't give my judgement on that, although in one photo I did partially see the offside of an E400 which seemed to have a little damage like a broken window, panel damage and burnt side blind, but did not see the full thing so can't really give my judgement, but I think that may be EH18.
All photos I found when browsing flickr on Will Bradfords flickr photostream if anyone is interested.
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Post by twobellstogo on Nov 25, 2018 16:08:26 GMT
Seen a few more pictures of the aftermath: E60 - More damaged then originally thought, most of the bottom deck is burnt out as well as a lot of the right hand side of the bus - Definitely won't come back E94 - Back end/majority of bottom deck pretty much burnt out, not fully destroyed though, but looks like if they did bother to repair it, it would be way more then the value of the bus so almost definitely won't come back E211 - Literally just mangled chassis left - Definitely not coming back E224 - Very badly damaged at the back, but possibly repairable, although I don't know if they will as it would probably be an expensive repair EN33 - Interior burnt beyond repair, but has literally crumpled in on itself from one side - definitely not coming back EN37 - Again literally just mangled chassis left - Definitely not coming back Pretty much already been established that MEC54/MEC56/MEC60 are beyond dead and that SEN21 is possibly savable but like E224 they may just decide the scrap it depending on if it worth repairing (i.e. depending on cost of repair against value of bus) Still not seen any photos of EH18, so can't give my judgement on that, although in one photo I did partially see the offside of an E400 which seemed to have a little damage like a broken window, panel damage and burnt side blind, but did not see the full thing so can't really give my judgement, but I think that may be EH18. All photos I found when browsing flickr on Will Bradfords flickr photostream if anyone is interested. There are a couple of photos of EH18 on Twitter : one of those has the rear nearside burnt right through, and what I suspect to be chassis damage : I think it’s finished, sad to say. Various pictures of E94 being carted away for scrap by a tow truck online: that’s not coming back either. Honest opinion now is only SEN21 has a chance of being resurrected.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 25, 2018 16:15:16 GMT
Seen a few more pictures of the aftermath: E60 - More damaged then originally thought, most of the bottom deck is burnt out as well as a lot of the right hand side of the bus - Definitely won't come back E94 - Back end/majority of bottom deck pretty much burnt out, not fully destroyed though, but looks like if they did bother to repair it, it would be way more then the value of the bus so almost definitely won't come back E211 - Literally just mangled chassis left - Definitely not coming back E224 - Very badly damaged at the back, but possibly repairable, although I don't know if they will as it would probably be an expensive repair EN33 - Interior burnt beyond repair, but has literally crumpled in on itself from one side - definitely not coming back EN37 - Again literally just mangled chassis left - Definitely not coming back Pretty much already been established that MEC54/MEC56/MEC60 are beyond dead and that SEN21 is possibly savable but like E224 they may just decide the scrap it depending on if it worth repairing (i.e. depending on cost of repair against value of bus) Still not seen any photos of EH18, so can't give my judgement on that, although in one photo I did partially see the offside of an E400 which seemed to have a little damage like a broken window, panel damage and burnt side blind, but did not see the full thing so can't really give my judgement, but I think that may be EH18. All photos I found when browsing flickr on Will Bradfords flickr photostream if anyone is interested. There are a couple of photos of EH18 on Twitter : one of those has the rear nearside burnt right through, and what I suspect to be chassis damage : I think it’s finished, sad to say. Various pictures of E94 being carted away for scrap by a tow truck online: that’s not coming back either. Honest opinion now is only SEN21 has a chance of being resurrected. I agree though I wouldn’t totally rule out E224 from returning - I’m really on the fence on that one though.
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Post by rj131 on Nov 25, 2018 20:44:25 GMT
Seen a few more pictures of the aftermath: E60 - More damaged then originally thought, most of the bottom deck is burnt out as well as a lot of the right hand side of the bus - Definitely won't come back E94 - Back end/majority of bottom deck pretty much burnt out, not fully destroyed though, but looks like if they did bother to repair it, it would be way more then the value of the bus so almost definitely won't come back E211 - Literally just mangled chassis left - Definitely not coming back E224 - Very badly damaged at the back, but possibly repairable, although I don't know if they will as it would probably be an expensive repair EN33 - Interior burnt beyond repair, but has literally crumpled in on itself from one side - definitely not coming back EN37 - Again literally just mangled chassis left - Definitely not coming back Pretty much already been established that MEC54/MEC56/MEC60 are beyond dead and that SEN21 is possibly savable but like E224 they may just decide the scrap it depending on if it worth repairing (i.e. depending on cost of repair against value of bus) Still not seen any photos of EH18, so can't give my judgement on that, although in one photo I did partially see the offside of an E400 which seemed to have a little damage like a broken window, panel damage and burnt side blind, but did not see the full thing so can't really give my judgement, but I think that may be EH18. All photos I found when browsing flickr on Will Bradfords flickr photostream if anyone is interested. I’m very much presuming these are the three completely obliterated Citaros in this picture, NOT my photo. EDIT: the very first photo at the start of the article.www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/news/croydon-news/orpington-bus-garage-fire-first-2246424.amp?__twitter_impression=true I had to try and compare these to a picture of an un-burnt Citaro to try and figure out the shape of the skeleton, it’s completely unrecognisable. I thought at first that could have been ex-293 Scanias, I couldn’t tell at all that was a Citaro. Also in that photo, what vehicles are 1) the obliterated (I’m presuming) E400 in the middle of the Citaro with pretty much the top window frame remaining (if even MB themselves can narrow down which vehicle it is, and 2) the E400 on the far right with the collapsed side with the rear completely intact?
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Post by VWH1414 on Nov 25, 2018 20:55:38 GMT
Seen a few more pictures of the aftermath: E60 - More damaged then originally thought, most of the bottom deck is burnt out as well as a lot of the right hand side of the bus - Definitely won't come back E94 - Back end/majority of bottom deck pretty much burnt out, not fully destroyed though, but looks like if they did bother to repair it, it would be way more then the value of the bus so almost definitely won't come back E211 - Literally just mangled chassis left - Definitely not coming back E224 - Very badly damaged at the back, but possibly repairable, although I don't know if they will as it would probably be an expensive repair EN33 - Interior burnt beyond repair, but has literally crumpled in on itself from one side - definitely not coming back EN37 - Again literally just mangled chassis left - Definitely not coming back Pretty much already been established that MEC54/MEC56/MEC60 are beyond dead and that SEN21 is possibly savable but like E224 they may just decide the scrap it depending on if it worth repairing (i.e. depending on cost of repair against value of bus) Still not seen any photos of EH18, so can't give my judgement on that, although in one photo I did partially see the offside of an E400 which seemed to have a little damage like a broken window, panel damage and burnt side blind, but did not see the full thing so can't really give my judgement, but I think that may be EH18. All photos I found when browsing flickr on Will Bradfords flickr photostream if anyone is interested. I’m very much presuming these are the three completely obliterated Citaros in this picture, NOT my photo. EDIT: the very first photo at the start of the article.www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/news/croydon-news/orpington-bus-garage-fire-first-2246424.amp?__twitter_impression=true I had to try and compare these to a picture of an un-burnt Citaro to try and figure out the shape of the skeleton, it’s completely unrecognisable. I thought at first that could have been ex-293 Scanias, I couldn’t tell at all that was a Citaro. Also in that photo, what vehicles are 1) the obliterated (I’m presuming) E400 in the middle of the Citaro with pretty much the top window frame remaining (if even MB themselves can narrow down which vehicle it is, and 2) the E400 on the far right with the collapsed side with the rear completely intact? The Enviro 400 on the far right is EN33, and the burnt E400s between the Citaros are E211 (Next to E60) and EN37 (Directly in the middle)
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