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Post by lundnah on Nov 29, 2018 18:29:13 GMT
While it lasts, 101 is quite circuitous as well You mean the 104 as the 101 routing is mostly in a straight line?
The 104? Just over 2½. |
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Post by busaholic on Nov 29, 2018 18:52:31 GMT
No way can any route beat the 32. Like even the 149/16/86/207 have got slight curves in the road even though they travel along solely that road but the 32 and Kilburn High Road is somehow absolutely arrow straight, except from its termini just off the road. It’s why I hate it so much, got to be the most dull and boring bus route in the whole of London (personal opinion obviously). The Romans built the Edgware Road as part of Watling Street: standards have been declining ever since.  |
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Post by ronnie on Nov 29, 2018 19:00:37 GMT
While it lasts, 101 is quite circuitous as well You mean the 104 as the 101 routing is mostly in a straight line?
Yes - I meant the 104 and typed the 101... |
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Post by ctrh136 on Nov 29, 2018 22:18:17 GMT
What does the 412 give?
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Post by lundnah on Nov 29, 2018 23:27:20 GMT
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Post by paulsw2 on Dec 1, 2018 14:28:47 GMT
455 must be up there? Definitely one for taking the longest way around between Purley and Wallington compared with the direct 127 The old 115/A was even longer via Hackbridge/Carshalton Mitcham Streatham St Leonards Norbury TH pond Purley Way and Waddon |
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Post by sid on Dec 1, 2018 19:31:11 GMT
455 must be up there? Definitely one for taking the longest way around between Purley and Wallington compared with the direct 127 The old 115/A was even longer via Hackbridge/Carshalton Mitcham Streatham St Leonards Norbury TH pond Purley Way and Waddon Also had a peak hour extension to Whytleafe. |
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Post by lundnah on Dec 1, 2018 20:00:11 GMT
455 must be up there? Definitely one for taking the longest way around between Purley and Wallington compared with the direct 127 The old 115/A was even longer via Hackbridge/Carshalton Mitcham Streatham St Leonards Norbury TH pond Purley Way and Waddon Fifty years ago the 115A (from Wallington to Croydon Airport)
had a sinuosity of about 7½, which is very high.
The 115? Not so high. (and the peak hour extension to Whyteleafe, rather less)
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Post by busaholic on Dec 1, 2018 21:42:43 GMT
The old 115/A was even longer via Hackbridge/Carshalton Mitcham Streatham St Leonards Norbury TH pond Purley Way and Waddon Fifty years ago the 115A (from Wallington to Croydon Airport)
had a sinuosity of about 7½, which is very high.
The 115? Not so high. (and the peak hour extension to Whyteleafe, rather less)
I have vague recollections of being sent out to make some observations on the 115 round about 1972 i.e. loadings plus travelling on selected journeys to try and get an impression of traffic patterns. I have to say that I couldn't get any sort of 'handle' on the route and admitted that to my superiors, whereupon I remember one saying 'it's typical example of a route with a purpose which once held true but has been subverted over the years to try to fill gaps and is now a great, unwieldy mess', or words to that effect. The route was converted to omo to try to save some money, but, frankly, it was doomed! It was most unpopular with TH crews as well, apparently, and was on the whole worked by crews about to retire, or novices. |
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Post by sid on Dec 2, 2018 16:32:58 GMT
Fifty years ago the 115A (from Wallington to Croydon Airport)
had a sinuosity of about 7½, which is very high.
The 115? Not so high. (and the peak hour extension to Whyteleafe, rather less)
I have vague recollections of being sent out to make some observations on the 115 round about 1972 i.e. loadings plus travelling on selected journeys to try and get an impression of traffic patterns. I have to say that I couldn't get any sort of 'handle' on the route and admitted that to my superiors, whereupon I remember one saying 'it's typical example of a route with a purpose which once held true but has been subverted over the years to try to fill gaps and is now a great, unwieldy mess', or words to that effect. The route was converted to omo to try to save some money, but, frankly, it was doomed! It was most unpopular with TH crews as well, apparently, and was on the whole worked by crews about to retire, or novices. My understanding was that the 115 was quite a popular route with crews, it was generally an easy route and didn't go into Croydon town centre. It was going to get Leyland Nationals at one point, TH even had one for training purposes, but for whatever reason it didn't happen and the route was withdrawn as part of a package of changes in 1981. |
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Post by busaholic on Dec 2, 2018 18:20:22 GMT
I have vague recollections of being sent out to make some observations on the 115 round about 1972 i.e. loadings plus travelling on selected journeys to try and get an impression of traffic patterns. I have to say that I couldn't get any sort of 'handle' on the route and admitted that to my superiors, whereupon I remember one saying 'it's typical example of a route with a purpose which once held true but has been subverted over the years to try to fill gaps and is now a great, unwieldy mess', or words to that effect. The route was converted to omo to try to save some money, but, frankly, it was doomed! It was most unpopular with TH crews as well, apparently, and was on the whole worked by crews about to retire, or novices. My understanding was that the 115 was quite a popular route with crews, it was generally an easy route and didn't go into Croydon town centre. It was going to get Leyland Nationals at one point, TH even had one for training purposes, but for whatever reason it didn't happen and the route was withdrawn as part of a package of changes in 1981. Purley Way: a nightmare to drive along today, and hated by many bus drivers even then. Hendon Way drivers on the 113 had it easy by comparison. The 105 (to Shepherds Bush then) and the 112 were similarly despised by drivers because of pulling out into fast-moving (sometimes!) traffic from lay-by bus stops. The 175, to Poplar then, was also hated and had to be allocated to FOUR garages simultaneously on Monday to Friday so that no one East London garage got too much work on it |
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Post by paulsw2 on Dec 3, 2018 3:52:29 GMT
I have vague recollections of being sent out to make some observations on the 115 round about 1972 i.e. loadings plus travelling on selected journeys to try and get an impression of traffic patterns. I have to say that I couldn't get any sort of 'handle' on the route and admitted that to my superiors, whereupon I remember one saying 'it's typical example of a route with a purpose which once held true but has been subverted over the years to try to fill gaps and is now a great, unwieldy mess', or words to that effect. The route was converted to omo to try to save some money, but, frankly, it was doomed! It was most unpopular with TH crews as well, apparently, and was on the whole worked by crews about to retire, or novices. My understanding was that the 115 was quite a popular route with crews, it was generally an easy route and didn't go into Croydon town centre. It was going to get Leyland Nationals at one point, TH even had one for training purposes, but for whatever reason it didn't happen and the route was withdrawn as part of a package of changes in 1981. I know why TH didn't get LS's for the 115 it was the lack of AFC which meant drivers would be worse of financially because of the bonus system in place at the time. The TGWU at the time and the chairman of the London Bus Committee who was based at TH said no AFC no LS the bonus system and AFC were phased out within a few months. The 115 was the senior rota and it was unpopular because of the amount of NSB's because of unreliable SMS's some mornings only 7 buses on the road instead of 14 (I used to use the 115 to get to school and waits of 40 mins to get a bus was not unusual) |
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Post by sid on Dec 3, 2018 7:31:11 GMT
My understanding was that the 115 was quite a popular route with crews, it was generally an easy route and didn't go into Croydon town centre. It was going to get Leyland Nationals at one point, TH even had one for training purposes, but for whatever reason it didn't happen and the route was withdrawn as part of a package of changes in 1981. I know why TH didn't get LS's for the 115 it was the lack of AFC which meant drivers would be worse of financially because of the bonus system in place at the time. The TGWU at the time and the chairman of the London Bus Committee who was based at TH said no AFC no LS the bonus system and AFC were phased out within a few months. The 115 was the senior rota and it was unpopular because of the amount of NSB's because of unreliable SMS's some mornings only 7 buses on the road instead of 14 (I used to use the 115 to get to school and waits of 40 mins to get a bus was not unusual) I seem to recall it was converted to DMS for the last year or so as the SMS's became unserviceable. |
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Post by lundnah on Dec 3, 2018 9:14:56 GMT
To nudge us back on topic, the 115 had a sinuosity of about two and three quarters.
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Post by busaholic on Dec 3, 2018 23:52:18 GMT
Where would the old 87 Harold Hill to Rainham via Barking fit in?
Also the old 89 Lewisham to Eltham via Bexleyheath?
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