How would you bring back the 48 bus rte at no cost

[Deleted]

I would take 10 vehicles of the 38 route and nobody would notice considering the empty vehicles I mostly see on it.


If a 48 vehicle ran every 22 mins it would still provide a service wouldn't it? 


If it is underused it wont be packed but still make enough money from those that require the service against all these empty buses on route 38 for eg.

[Pilot]

They'll cut even 38 and more in future, slowly so nobody 'sorta' notices. That's how TFL rolls.

[southlondonbus]

I think the 38 had already gone from 70 PVR to 52. Did it drop that many in one go or did it reduce a few times?

[wirewiper]

Apr 15, 2019 8:17:07 GMT southlondonbus said:

I think the 38 had already gone from 70 PVR to 52. Did it drop that many in one go or did it reduce a few times?

It was gradual - it went down to 59 LTs in 2014 and then the recent cut to 52 LTs. 

[rif153]

The 38 really needs a frequency cut especially off-peak when buses are cominng every 5 or so minutes are carrying around 7 people each. Shaftesury Avenue is overbussed and cutting the 38 is the best soloution imo

[sid]

Apr 15, 2019 8:28:56 GMT rif153 said:

The 38 really needs a frequency cut especially off-peak when buses are cominng every 5 or so minutes are carrying around 7 people each. Shaftesury Avenue is overbussed and cutting the 38 is the best soloution imo

Indeed and curtailing the 19 at Holborn would have pretty much achieved that whilst maintaining the same level of service to Victoria so it's all the more surprising that the 19 change isn't happening.

[southlondonbus]

Whilst harsh, cutting the 19 did actually make sense with the corridors it served all being fairly well served. All that guff about the hopper fare not covering the entire route is laughable when the 25 change now requires 3 routes to complete and I'm not talking Ilford to Oxo needing 3 buses. I'm taking Mile End and Whitechapel bow needing 3 buses to do what one route did till November last year! Islington to Knightsbridge could easily be done with only 1 change (38 to 9/14/22) from that same bus stops unlike the walk around the corner from the 55 to 35/47/149. Disgusting that Chelsea has come off unscaved.

[vjaska]

Apr 15, 2019 9:14:41 GMT southlondonbus said:

Whilst harsh, cutting the 19 did actually make sense with the corridors it served all being fairly well served. All that guff about the hopper fare not covering the entire route is laughable when the 25 change now requires 3 routes to complete and I'm not talking Ilford to Oxo needing 3 buses. I'm taking Mile End and Whitechapel bow needing 3 buses to do what one route did till November last year! Islington to Knightsbridge could easily be done with only 1 change (38 to 9/14/22) from that same bus stops unlike the walk around the corner from the 55 to 35/47/149. Disgusting that Chelsea has come off unscaved.

I read today that the campaign I noted on here a while ago that was launched by locals plus Wandsworth council seemed to do the trick. The problem is the poor & elderly generally don't involved in campaigns whereas the rich are very good at making their voice heard.

[southlondonbus]

Apr 15, 2019 9:40:25 GMT vjaska said:

Apr 15, 2019 9:14:41 GMT southlondonbus said:

Whilst harsh, cutting the 19 did actually make sense with the corridors it served all being fairly well served. All that guff about the hopper fare not covering the entire route is laughable when the 25 change now requires 3 routes to complete and I'm not talking Ilford to Oxo needing 3 buses. I'm taking Mile End and Whitechapel bow needing 3 buses to do what one route did till November last year! Islington to Knightsbridge could easily be done with only 1 change (38 to 9/14/22) from that same bus stops unlike the walk around the corner from the 55 to 35/47/149. Disgusting that Chelsea has come off unscaved.

I read today that the campaign I noted on here a while ago that was launched by locals plus Wandsworth council seemed to do the trick. The problem is the poor & elderly generally don't involved in campaigns whereas the rich are very good at making their voice heard.

Will be interesting to see what happens in Richmond won't it.

I wouldn't be surprised if people along the Lea Bridge Road first hear about the 48 the day it's withdrawn.

[vjaska]

Apr 15, 2019 10:26:16 GMT southlondonbus said:

Apr 15, 2019 9:40:25 GMT vjaska said:

I read today that the campaign I noted on here a while ago that was launched by locals plus Wandsworth council seemed to do the trick. The problem is the poor & elderly generally don't involved in campaigns whereas the rich are very good at making their voice heard.

Will be interesting to see what happens in Richmond won't it.

I wouldn't be surprised if people along the Lea Bridge Road first hear about the 48 the day it's withdrawn.

I suspect your right though I did see a local Hackney MP tweet about the loss of the 48 and the poor consolation interchange it will receive instead.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Richmond consultation is quietly forgotten about now Hammersmith Bridge is shut indefinitely.

[busaholic]

Apr 15, 2019 9:40:25 GMT vjaska said:

Apr 15, 2019 9:14:41 GMT southlondonbus said:

Whilst harsh, cutting the 19 did actually make sense with the corridors it served all being fairly well served. All that guff about the hopper fare not covering the entire route is laughable when the 25 change now requires 3 routes to complete and I'm not talking Ilford to Oxo needing 3 buses. I'm taking Mile End and Whitechapel bow needing 3 buses to do what one route did till November last year! Islington to Knightsbridge could easily be done with only 1 change (38 to 9/14/22) from that same bus stops unlike the walk around the corner from the 55 to 35/47/149. Disgusting that Chelsea has come off unscaved.

I read today that the campaign I noted on here a while ago that was launched by locals plus Wandsworth council seemed to do the trick. The problem is the poor & elderly generally don't involved in campaigns whereas the rich are very good at making their voice heard.

Don't forget that Sadiq was an MP for a part of Wandsworth borough, which has been a 'marginal' in borough terms for some while. I expect a few words were whispered in his ear by some of his old compatriots, and who's to say he'd be wrong to listen to those, if honestly expressed. I thought the 19 proposal was diabolical, if not worse than what's happened with the 25 then as bad, but you have perhaps to sit back and look at it carefully to reach that conclusion as TfL did their best to obfuscate the issue. Unlike the 25, too, non-bus public transport alternatives were thin on the ground. It's taken me a while, but I've come to the conclusion that the 48 withdrawal is on a par with these two: maybe I managed to kid myself that they wouldn't actually pull it in the end.

[rif153]

Apr 15, 2019 9:14:41 GMT southlondonbus said:

Whilst harsh, cutting the 19 did actually make sense with the corridors it served all being fairly well served. All that guff about the hopper fare not covering the entire route is laughable when the 25 change now requires 3 routes to complete and I'm not talking Ilford to Oxo needing 3 buses. I'm taking Mile End and Whitechapel bow needing 3 buses to do what one route did till November last year! Islington to Knightsbridge could easily be done with only 1 change (38 to 9/14/22) from that same bus stops unlike the walk around the corner from the 55 to 35/47/149. Disgusting that Chelsea has come off unscaved.

I agree. TFL should have given more alternatives to the 19 in their consultation. The 311 was poorly planned because it was wedged in a gap left by the 11 and 19 but if that route had been done properly and served the sole purpose of mitigating the 19 cut with the 19 cut to Piccadilly Circus and the 311 terminating at Tottenham Court Road, I would deem that adequate mitigation for the loss of the 19, there really is no need for both the 19 and 22 to run at the frequency they both do between King's Road and Green Park, all that results in is ridiculous overbussing on Sloane Street and King's Road. I'm sure TFL already have an alternative plan for how to butcher the 19 without causing as much upset 

[southlondonbus]

In fairness it would have been hard to suggest alternatives to the 19 with up to 4 changes needed end to end.

[busaholic]

Apr 15, 2019 18:33:05 GMT southlondonbus said:

In fairness it would have been hard to suggest alternatives to the 19 with up to 4 changes needed end to end.

Which would not have been apparent to many, even the cognoscenti on here, because TfL, while not exactly covering it up, were reluctant to bring it to public attention.

[sid]

Apr 15, 2019 18:33:05 GMT southlondonbus said:

In fairness it would have been hard to suggest alternatives to the 19 with up to 4 changes needed end to end.

I can't imagine many people travelling from Finsbury Park to Battersea Bridge on the 19, Piccadilly Line to South Ken and a 49 or 345 would be much quicker, but a 29 to Trafalgar Square and the 11 to Kings Road and walk or another bus from there would seem the quickest alternative?