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Post by paul55 on Apr 27, 2019 14:28:08 GMT
A slump in the number of passengers using the 25 bus west of Aldgate, since the service was cut back, won't be news to most forum members. It has now reached a wider audience in the East London Advertiser and the story was also covered by the Ilford Recorder. Why the 25 bus to Holborn now runs from Ilford almost empty passing AldgateWhilst TfL makes much of the passenger numbers dropping over five years there's no mention of the significant increase in the year to April 2018.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 27, 2019 16:51:05 GMT
That isn't surprising to us at all. When I used it a few times before the cut even on a Sunday buses were quite full through the City with many going to Tottenham Court Road/Oxo. No those from Bank will take the 8 (some replacement) but the ones from Aldgate seem to have vanished.
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Post by rj131 on May 4, 2019 9:17:23 GMT
“The cuts on December 1 were in conjunction with Westminster City Council and the Mayor of London's pledge to “transform Oxford Street”.”
Yeah right, more like cos TfL were too skint to fund buses for the 452 so had to pull them from elsewhere. You couldn’t make it up.
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Post by ronnie on May 4, 2019 10:00:12 GMT
I have seen 25s at bank with less than 10 passengers heading west - at 9am. Prior to the hack back it was standing space only ...
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Post by Nathan on May 4, 2019 10:14:49 GMT
It's really weird. When I see buses around At. Paul's most of the time they're actually empty! Compared to before when the bus would be full when arriving in the same area.
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Post by redbus on May 4, 2019 12:31:36 GMT
I would be interested to know what the ex-passengers now do.
Moreover I reckon this is part of the plan - to axe the 25 back to Aldgate. You can see how it will go, reduction in passengers west of Aldgate, Crossrail now open, cut the 25 back to Aldgate.
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Post by busaholic on May 4, 2019 16:31:34 GMT
It's really weird. When I see buses around At. Paul's most of the time they're actually empty! Compared to before when the bus would be full when arriving in the same area. Regrettably, I take the view that the effect was entirely predictable, as most people are rational beings without too many masochistic tendencies. Those who have to travel will either make other arrangements or, if they can't afford to make other, likely more expensive arrangements will have to endure what passes for a bus service in today's climate. Actually, the predictability probably works both ways i.e. what the opponents of the 25 cutback thought would happen coincides with what TfL both thought and hoped would happen, a transfer to rail services that just happen to be run by other divisions of TfL. Those hundreds of millionsof pounds in lost Crossrail revenues have to come from somewhere!
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Post by sid on May 4, 2019 16:58:30 GMT
I have seen 25s at bank with less than 10 passengers heading west - at 9am. Prior to the hack back it was ok standing space only ... Well that could be seen as vindication of TfLs decision. It appears most people were travelling to the west end when it was standing room only, certainly beyond Holborn Circus, and would have been using Crossrail now if it had opened on time or the Central Line which would have far more capacity available. The 25 should still go to Oxford Circus until it does open though.
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Post by sid on May 4, 2019 17:05:41 GMT
It's really weird. When I see buses around At. Paul's most of the time they're actually empty! Compared to before when the bus would be full when arriving in the same area. Regrettably, I take the view that the effect was entirely predictable, as most people are rational beings without too many masochistic tendencies. Those who have to travel will either make other arrangements or, if they can't afford to make other, likely more expensive arrangements will have to endure what passes for a bus service in today's climate. Actually, the predictability probably works both ways i.e. what the opponents of the 25 cutback thought would happen coincides with what TfL both thought and hoped would happen, a transfer to rail services that just happen to be run by other divisions of TfL. Those hundreds of millionsof pounds in lost Crossrail revenues have to come from somewhere! Reality is that TfL were never going to open a nice shiny new railway through Central London and still fund the 25 to Oxford Circus, that would only happen in deregulation land.
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Post by ronnie on May 4, 2019 17:46:24 GMT
Regrettably, I take the view that the effect was entirely predictable, as most people are rational beings without too many masochistic tendencies. Those who have to travel will either make other arrangements or, if they can't afford to make other, likely more expensive arrangements will have to endure what passes for a bus service in today's climate. Actually, the predictability probably works both ways i.e. what the opponents of the 25 cutback thought would happen coincides with what TfL both thought and hoped would happen, a transfer to rail services that just happen to be run by other divisions of TfL. Those hundreds of millionsof pounds in lost Crossrail revenues have to come from somewhere! Reality is that TfL were never going to open a nice shiny new railway through Central London and still fund the 25 to Oxford Circus, that would only happen in deregulation land. Well Crossrail is now a 2021 event if things go well - so this was 3-4 years early!
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Post by sid on May 4, 2019 17:51:19 GMT
Reality is that TfL were never going to open a nice shiny new railway through Central London and still fund the 25 to Oxford Circus, that would only happen in deregulation land. Well Crossrail is now a 2021 event if things go well - so this was 3-4 years early! Yes I did say previously that the 25 shouldn't have been changed until Crossrail opens. And when it does a better terminus than Holborn Circus should be found, maybe Aldwych or Waterloo via the 341 route?
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Post by ronnie on May 4, 2019 17:55:26 GMT
Well Crossrail is now a 2021 event if things go well - so this was 3-4 years early! Yes I did say previously that the 25 shouldn't have been changed until Crossrail opens. And when it does a better terminus than Holborn Circus should be found, maybe Aldwych or Waterloo via the 341 route? TCR or Holborn station would have been a good one. I sort of agree that Oxford Circus to TCR cut back was inevitable and would have been well-received (that stretch taking 30 min is preposterous)
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 20:15:32 GMT
Even if the 25 was reinstated to Oxford Circus I doubt the passengers would return to the route sadly. I do wonder how much of a impact this has had on low income passengers forced to use the tube.
The 25 should be more reliable now but seeing lots of Aldgate turns (1 showing on LVF now and see one in the bus station this afternoon)
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Post by 15002 on May 4, 2019 20:56:08 GMT
Even if the 25 was reinstated to Oxford Circus I doubt the passengers would return to the route sadly. I do wonder how much of a impact this has had on low income passengers forced to use the tube.
The 25 should be more reliable now but seeing lots of Aldgate turns (1 showing on LVF now and see one in the bus station this afternoon)
I reckon they will, although it will most likely be a slow process.
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Post by vjaska on May 4, 2019 21:22:51 GMT
Even if the 25 was reinstated to Oxford Circus I doubt the passengers would return to the route sadly. I do wonder how much of a impact this has had on low income passengers forced to use the tube.
The 25 should be more reliable now but seeing lots of Aldgate turns (1 showing on LVF now and see one in the bus station this afternoon)
I agree and in fact, now the damage has been done in Central London, I see the network continuing to be slowly dismantled in Central London before ceasing to exist in the next 5-10 years. I can see a scenario where all buses terminate on the edges of Central London and merged into other more suburban creating long, unreliable routes. Those people won't return and the poor, elderly & young will be effectively barred from Central London - call it TfL's version of gentrification if you like. Moving away from that, I always thought the 25 should of been retained but maybe split into two overlapping sections - maybe an Aldgate to Ilford route and then a Oxford Circus/Tottenham Court Road to Stratford route with the latter being less frequent than the former.
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