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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 12, 2019 15:44:19 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Jun 12, 2019 16:01:26 GMT
That reads to me like a wish list the council have submitted to / discussed with TfL. I can't believe Redbridge is suddenly going to get a massive windfall of extra buses just because of cuts to the 25 and the arrival of Crossrail. There are obvious network gaps that have been much debated / proposed on here. I fear someone has set expectations running somewhat ahead of any eventual reality.
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Post by dennistas on Jun 12, 2019 17:00:42 GMT
Who will open the new garage?
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Post by ServerKing on Jun 12, 2019 17:18:41 GMT
Who will open the new garage? Lauren Goodger, Gemma Collins or some other D-List celebrity perhaps. Depends on their availability. There may be face painting for the kiddies and an open top bus depending on the weather   |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 12, 2019 17:20:46 GMT
That reads to me like a wish list the council have submitted to / discussed with TfL. I can't believe Redbridge is suddenly going to get a massive windfall of extra buses just because of cuts to the 25 and the arrival of Crossrail. There are obvious network gaps that have been much debated / proposed on here. I fear someone has set expectations running somewhat ahead of any eventual reality. I get the same feeling, whoever wrote this article seems to be indirecting the slash the 25 has received throughout the article. I imagine the cut hasn't gone down well with Redbridge council and they're onto TfL about it. On the other hand I wonder if Ilford is part of one of these Town Centre rationalisation schemes. These links via Seven Kings, Goodmayes and Dagenham sound very suspiciously similar to the 86, 145 and 364. I wonder if the resources for these routes will actually come from reduced frequencies on these routes, I can't see any extra demand between Dagenham and Ilford necessitating an extra route. The cut to the 25 has also certainly made the 86 a monster of a route now and I wouldn't be surprised to see TfL want to "sort it out" in one of their ways. Who will open the new garage? I'm not too sure, I'm slightly doubtful it's a new garage at all. Stagecoach, Arriva and Go Ahead all have garages in Barking which are only a few minutes away from Ilford and I'm pretty sure all of those garages still have space available. I get the feeling it's actually a bus station that's proposed, should it be built near Ilford Hill it will remove every route that terminates in Ilford from traversing Ilford Town Centre leaving only the through routes going through it. However thinking about it, a bus station there would need to be huge. Just a sum up of stand spaces that might be needed 25: 3-4 123 - 2-3 147 - 3 167 - 1 179 - 2 296 - 1 364 - 2 396 - 1 425 - 2-3 462 - 1 EL1 - 3-4 W19 - 2 That's a potential 27 spaces that will be required for all those routes. I don't know where in Ilford Broadway they think they'll find this sort of space unless they make the gyratory two way. It would however help a lot with connections, Ilford is currently such a pain to connect through due to the various locations buses pick up from and differing locations of stops for routes going different ways. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 17:29:36 GMT
Do you think the paper has mixed up bus garage with bus station?
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Post by vjaska on Jun 12, 2019 17:41:17 GMT
Do you think the paper has mixed up bus garage with bus station? Along with wish list & reality - these papers are so lazy. |
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Post by busoccultation on Jun 12, 2019 18:06:42 GMT
Do you think the paper has mixed up bus garage with bus station? Probably yes. In fact I was completely surprised about this article regarding a bus review in Ilford area especially when the area hasn't had much changes as part of Crossrail consultations. Along with wish list & reality - these papers are so lazy. True, when I first read this article I thought it was something about a on-demand bus trial like in Sutton given it said something about people using cars etc.. when really it didn't say anything about on-demand buses in the area. |
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Post by DE20106 on Jun 12, 2019 18:38:54 GMT
The cut to the 25 has also certainly made the 86 a monster of a route now and I wouldn't be surprised to see TfL want to "sort it out" in one of their ways. Has the 25 cut increased crowding on the 86 that much? Don’t see the route too much at the Romford end, only at Stratford where loadings upon leaving the bus station can vary significantly depending on whether a 25, 425 or indeed another 86 has just been before it. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 12, 2019 18:42:26 GMT
The cut to the 25 has also certainly made the 86 a monster of a route now and I wouldn't be surprised to see TfL want to "sort it out" in one of their ways. Has the 25 cut increased crowding on the 86 that much? Don’t see the route too much at the Romford end, only at Stratford where loadings upon leaving the bus station can vary significantly depending on whether a 25, 425 or indeed another 86 have just been before it. Yeah, it's much worse on the 86 now. I am pretty sure the 25 and 425 changes did result in an overall decrease from the old 25 while the 86 has stayed at exactly the same frequency, also making it the most frequent route now on the Romford Road corridor alongside the most used. It's actually a joke. |
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Post by DE20106 on Jun 12, 2019 18:49:56 GMT
Has the 25 cut increased crowding on the 86 that much? Don’t see the route too much at the Romford end, only at Stratford where loadings upon leaving the bus station can vary significantly depending on whether a 25, 425 or indeed another 86 have just been before it. Yeah, it's much worse on the 86 now. I am pretty sure the 25 and 425 changes did result in an overall decrease from the old 25 while the 86 has stayed at exactly the same frequency, also making it the most frequent route now on the Romford Road corridor alongside the most used. It's actually a joke. I seem to recall 2bph have now been lost along the Romford Road corridor in the peaks pre-25 cut and 425 extension? Doesn’t sound like much with a combined overall frequency as intense as what the Romford Road corridor has, but that’s 180-odd potential spaces that have now got to be crammed onto other buses, on what is already probably one of the most intensely used and crowded bus corridors in the country? |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 12, 2019 18:55:32 GMT
Now there is an N25 due to the difference from the 25 day route there is scope to extend some journeys on from Ilford. Maybe in the direction of Becontree Heath.
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Post by chazzboi on Jun 12, 2019 21:20:10 GMT
If they do plan on improving services in the Goodmayes,Seven Kings and Dagenham area, then that’s all the 364. We already know that a double decker is just simply not possible down the current routing. What is needed is a new timetable. As a regular user of the 364 I really do know the struggle of trying to get on the bus at Ilford Station and being left behind. And many a time people are left behind at Beal Road and the start of the first Hail and Ride Section both which are some of the first stops served by the 364. I do believe the route needs a greater frequency Monday-Friday from around 2pm-7pm. If this is implemented all the problems around that area disappear. This frequency increase is only justified until Goodmayes, so a sutible turning spot would need to be found as the buses carry thin air even with the current frequency beyond Goodmayes. Although we know that no new routes will be created, it would be nice to have a bus linking Ilford station, Seven Kings Station and Newbury Park Station through using Alborough Road South, and maybe even continuing up to provide a better connection up north. I feel like this article provides a lot of optimism yet in reality we all know that Redbridge Council will not enforce any significant change and any they do are likely to be unpopular.
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Post by ServerKing on Jun 13, 2019 21:06:11 GMT
The real papers have  caught wind of things now  |
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Post by busman on Jul 5, 2019 17:28:13 GMT
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