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Post by dla314 on Jul 6, 2019 18:56:39 GMT
First thread I have created here
86 runs from Stratford to Romford and is a very popular route, paralleling the TFL Rail line between Romford and Stratford, but it needs help, particularly towards Romford as it basically has do that stretch on its own from Ilford to Romford. 128 is an alternative between the two but the 86 is quicker. Also the 128 has 150 running parallel with it from Barkingside to Becontree Heath and from Becontree Heath 150's last stop is common with 5, 128 and 175 so you can continue your journey with these 3 routes. I believe there should be a second route running parallel with it between Ilford and Chadwell Heath, and I believe it should be 396, but done in a way that allows it to continually serve Newbury Park Station and keeps on going to King George Hospital.
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Post by londonboy71 on Jul 6, 2019 19:17:21 GMT
First thread I have created here 86 runs from Stratford to Romford and is a very popular route, paralleling the TFL Rail line between Romford and Stratford, but it needs help, particularly towards Romford as it basically has do that stretch on its own from Ilford to Romford. 128 is an alternative between the two but the 86 is quicker. Also the 128 has 150 running parallel with it from Barkingside to Becontree Heath and from Becontree Heath 150's last stop is common with 5, 128 and 175 so you can continue your journey with these 3 routes. I believe there should be a second route running parallel with it between Ilford and Chadwell Heath, and I believe it should be 396, but done in a way that allows it to continually serve Newbury Park Station and keeps on going to King George Hospital. New Route: Whipps Cross Hospital Leytonstone Wanstead Flats Manor Park Ilford 7 Kings Chadwell Heath Queens Hospital Romford Why not?? |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 6, 2019 19:33:23 GMT
First thread I have created here 86 runs from Stratford to Romford and is a very popular route, paralleling the TFL Rail line between Romford and Stratford, but it needs help, particularly towards Romford as it basically has do that stretch on its own from Ilford to Romford. 128 is an alternative between the two but the 86 is quicker. Also the 128 has 150 running parallel with it from Barkingside to Becontree Heath and from Becontree Heath 150's last stop is common with 5, 128 and 175 so you can continue your journey with these 3 routes. I believe there should be a second route running parallel with it between Ilford and Chadwell Heath, and I believe it should be 396, but done in a way that allows it to continually serve Newbury Park Station and keeps on going to King George Hospital. If you extend the 396 to Chadwell Heath you'll end up with the same scenario with that of the 128. It'll be longer so nobody would use it. The only bit it would be of any help is between Goodmayes and Chadwell heath which is only a few stops. I think a lot of the eastern end could be solved by just extending the 368 to Romford, or even the more frequent 62 with the less frequent 368 picking up the bit to Mark's Gate. However I imagine the TfL Rail working properly might help the route quite a bit  |
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Post by rif153 on Jul 6, 2019 19:38:08 GMT
Once Crossrail is fully up and running expect the 86 to get a frequency cut
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Post by dla314 on Jul 6, 2019 23:04:12 GMT
Once Crossrail is fully up and running expect the 86 to get a frequency cut I would really hate this |
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Post by dla314 on Jul 6, 2019 23:23:50 GMT
First thread I have created here 86 runs from Stratford to Romford and is a very popular route, paralleling the TFL Rail line between Romford and Stratford, but it needs help, particularly towards Romford as it basically has do that stretch on its own from Ilford to Romford. 128 is an alternative between the two but the 86 is quicker. Also the 128 has 150 running parallel with it from Barkingside to Becontree Heath and from Becontree Heath 150's last stop is common with 5, 128 and 175 so you can continue your journey with these 3 routes. I believe there should be a second route running parallel with it between Ilford and Chadwell Heath, and I believe it should be 396, but done in a way that allows it to continually serve Newbury Park Station and keeps on going to King George Hospital. If you extend the 396 to Chadwell Heath you'll end up with the same scenario with that of the 128. It'll be longer so nobody would use it. The only bit it would be of any help is between Goodmayes and Chadwell heath which is only a few stops. I think a lot of the eastern end could be solved by just extending the 368 to Romford, or even the more frequent 62 with the less frequent 368 picking up the bit to Mark's Gate. However I imagine the TfL Rail working properly might help the route quite a bit Through what I've seen, the 86 can handle the bit between Romford and Chadwell Heath, I think it's the bit between Ilford and Chadwell Heath that needs sorting out on the eastern section. The 86 is the one bus that most people want to take heading east from Ilford and normally, most people jump off at Chadwell Heath and then after that passenger count decreases steadily by the time the bus reaches Romford. I think an extension to 368 or 62 would be welcomed, but more preferably to 368. But as you said, TFL Rail working properly would actually help the route a lot |
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Post by dla314 on Jul 6, 2019 23:26:43 GMT
First thread I have created here 86 runs from Stratford to Romford and is a very popular route, paralleling the TFL Rail line between Romford and Stratford, but it needs help, particularly towards Romford as it basically has do that stretch on its own from Ilford to Romford. 128 is an alternative between the two but the 86 is quicker. Also the 128 has 150 running parallel with it from Barkingside to Becontree Heath and from Becontree Heath 150's last stop is common with 5, 128 and 175 so you can continue your journey with these 3 routes. I believe there should be a second route running parallel with it between Ilford and Chadwell Heath, and I believe it should be 396, but done in a way that allows it to continually serve Newbury Park Station and keeps on going to King George Hospital. New Route: Whipps Cross Hospital Leytonstone Wanstead Flats Manor Park Ilford 7 Kings Chadwell Heath Queens Hospital Romford Why not?? While that would help the W19 and 86, is there even stand space at Queen's Hospital to allow for there to be another route to terminate there? |
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Post by rif153 on Jul 7, 2019 7:22:23 GMT
Once Crossrail is fully up and running expect the 86 to get a frequency cut I would really hate this [br I would too but such are the nasty ways of TfL a frequency cut on the 86 is likely, I would despair if they do it before Crossrail opened as they did with the 25 |
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Post by londonboy71 on Jul 7, 2019 7:37:15 GMT
New Route: Whipps Cross Hospital Leytonstone Wanstead Flats Manor Park Ilford 7 Kings Chadwell Heath Queens Hospital Romford Why not?? While that would help the W19 and 86, is there even stand space at Queen's Hospital to allow for there to be another route to terminate there? I didn't explain properly I meant to Romford Town Centre via Hospital |
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Post by frank on Jul 9, 2019 20:15:18 GMT
First thread I have created here 86 runs from Stratford to Romford and is a very popular route, paralleling the TFL Rail line between Romford and Stratford, but it needs help, particularly towards Romford as it basically has do that stretch on its own from Ilford to Romford. 128 is an alternative between the two but the 86 is quicker. Also the 128 has 150 running parallel with it from Barkingside to Becontree Heath and from Becontree Heath 150's last stop is common with 5, 128 and 175 so you can continue your journey with these 3 routes. I believe there should be a second route running parallel with it between Ilford and Chadwell Heath, and I believe it should be 396, but done in a way that allows it to continually serve Newbury Park Station and keeps on going to King George Hospital. There was recently an excellent suggestion on this forum to extend the 179 from Ilford to Chadwell Heath. At its current frequency of every 12 mins mon-sat, 20 evenings and sundays, that would offer a fitting increase in capacity without becoming too generous. furthermore it would open up some interesting South Woodford and Gants Hill to seven kings, goodmayes, chadwell heath links. just to reiterate, an excellent suggestion, not mine, but from someone else on the forum. Apologies, I can’t remember the name of the person who made this interesting suggestion. |
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Post by busoccultation on Jul 9, 2019 20:50:23 GMT
There was recently an excellent suggestion on this forum to extend the 179 from Ilford to Chadwell Heath. At its current frequency of every 12 mins mon-sat, 20 evenings and sundays, that would offer a fitting increase in capacity without becoming too generous. furthermore it would open up some interesting South Woodford and Gants Hill to seven kings, goodmayes, chadwell heath links. just to reiterate, an excellent suggestion, not mine, but from someone else on the forum. Apologies, I can’t remember the name of the person who made this interesting suggestion. It wasn't me who suggested this 179 extension, but I do like the idea of extending the 179 to Chadwell Heath via the 86 which will adequately provide extra capacity along this part of the 86 route and new direct links like Chadwell Heath to Gants Hill, Goodmayes to South Woodford etc... , plus making the Woodford Avenue corridor a bit more useful as at times the 179 aren't doing much on the Woodford Avenue other than just punching the 123 in front all the to Ilford if the 123 is in front by 1-2 mins.
The only issue that I have with extending the 179 is it could kill the reliability of route since the traffic in Woodford area can be hit or miss i.e. one day it can be all fine which the 179 will run fine and the next day the traffic in Woodford is awful which will lead to long gaps and some curtailments.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 9, 2019 21:54:37 GMT
There was recently an excellent suggestion on this forum to extend the 179 from Ilford to Chadwell Heath. At its current frequency of every 12 mins mon-sat, 20 evenings and sundays, that would offer a fitting increase in capacity without becoming too generous. furthermore it would open up some interesting South Woodford and Gants Hill to seven kings, goodmayes, chadwell heath links. just to reiterate, an excellent suggestion, not mine, but from someone else on the forum. Apologies, I can’t remember the name of the person who made this interesting suggestion. It wasn't me who suggested this 179 extension, but I do like the idea of extending the 179 to Chadwell Heath via the 86 which will adequately provide extra capacity along this part of the 86 route and new direct links like Chadwell Heath to Gants Hill, Goodmayes to South Woodford etc... , plus making the Woodford Avenue corridor a bit more useful as at times the 179 aren't doing much on the Woodford Avenue other than just punching the 123 in front all the to Ilford if the 123 is in front by 1-2 mins.
The only issue that I have with extending the 179 is it could kill the reliability of route since the traffic in Woodford area can be hit or miss i.e. one day it can be all fine which the 179 will run fine and the next day the traffic in Woodford is awful which will lead to long gaps and some curtailments.
The reliability is what has me questioning it too, the 179 would be a really long route if extended as far out as Chadwell Heath. The furthest I'd go is Seven King's at a push. It's also relatively hard to extend any route along the 86s corridor from Ilford as they're all already long or are suffering reliability issues as it is. The EL1 is the only possible contender but it's probably the perfect length right now, short and snappy just like the crowds it has to deal with. The issue the 86 has, and will continue to have is that people often pile off the TfL Fail Rail right onto it and use it to get closer to their homes, or to make their journeys cheaper by using it to travel to a station in a cheaper zone. There's probably more people in the Forest Gate and Maryland area who actually get the bus into Zone 2, or people in Chadwell Heath and Romford who get the bus into Zone 4. The Seven King's area is almost a lost cause, time after time opportunity has risen to improve the links there but nothing has ever been taken. It's almost like the attitude there is that they've managed without a bus service for so long so won't need one now. Using the 86 day in and day out for years on end it's obvious there's three main areas on the route. Ilford - Stratford, Romford - Chadwell Heath and Ilford - Chadwell Heath. I've ordered this in terms of business as well. Ilford - Stratford has always needed an increase in buses, not a decrease as TfL have recently done. Chadwell Heath - Romford is simply the case of all the locals in the area needing to get to their local town centre or the various schools in the area, the people of Chadwell Heath have almost no choice for town centres. Either a quite long trip on the 86 to Ilford or the 62/368 to Barking apart from Romford. The Chadwell Heath - Ilford section is the least busy, however by no means empty. I imagine the fact the 128/150 for most of this are a realistic alternative helps the route a lot. I've already suggested extending the 368 to Romford, or shuffling it so the 62 could get there. These are pretty much the only options, the 173 wouldn't help much as most of its corridor is close enough to the 5 and 175, and would no longer actually serve the main part of Chadwell Heath if it did that. The 362 is one route I think could help if it was rerouted down a side road from Grove Road to turn up along Barley Lane then it could follow the 86 back to Chadwell Heath. The issue there is one every 35min will make completely no dent in the 86s loadings at all. It would need to be every 10 at least, which is impossible to justify north of Chadwell Heath so that's ruled out. Romford Road is the hardest part to fix. Simply due to the traffic levels and the high footfall. I think only the Streatham to Brixton Corridor would give it a run for its money. The Forest Gate to Stratford section is probably what needs the most help, the 330 would make a good candidate, even if in the end it would just end up providing a fourth bus route to Canning Town from Stratford in the end The 474 is too long to extend to Stratford reliably from Manor Park. Extending the forthcoming 304 could be considered however I'm not too sure how that route will suffer in terms of traffic so I'll reserve my suggestion on that one until it's been operating for a few months. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 9, 2019 23:36:54 GMT
Is there alot of cross Ilford traffic on the 86 or does it simply share the load with the 25 from Stratford to Ilford them load again to Romford? If not much cross traffic maybe it should focus on Ilford to Romford providing the direct/intense service the 128 and 296 don't and a new route from Ilford to Stratford to assist the 25/425. Maybe Stratford to Becontree Heath. That way the 86 wouldn't have say 3 different jobs to do as described.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 9, 2019 23:48:46 GMT
Is there alot of cross Ilford traffic on the 86 or does it simply share the load with the 25 from Stratford to Ilford them load again to Romford? If not much cross traffic maybe it should focus on Ilford to Romford providing the direct/intense service the 128 and 296 don't and a new route from Ilford to Stratford to assist the 25/425. Maybe Stratford to Becontree Heath. That way the 86 wouldn't have say 3 different jobs to do as described. Predominantly it empties out at Ilford, at Ilford Hill you can see it in black and white where the bus empties out before picking up a new waiting crowd. However a substantial amount of people do stay on through Ilford. |
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Post by Arriva London Explorer on Jul 10, 2019 10:37:02 GMT
First thread I have created here 86 runs from Stratford to Romford and is a very popular route, paralleling the TFL Rail line between Romford and Stratford, but it needs help, particularly towards Romford as it basically has do that stretch on its own from Ilford to Romford. 128 is an alternative between the two but the 86 is quicker. Also the 128 has 150 running parallel with it from Barkingside to Becontree Heath and from Becontree Heath 150's last stop is common with 5, 128 and 175 so you can continue your journey with these 3 routes. I believe there should be a second route running parallel with it between Ilford and Chadwell Heath, and I believe it should be 396, but done in a way that allows it to continually serve Newbury Park Station and keeps on going to King George Hospital. I would personally extend the 396 not from the king George end but from the Ilford part to chadwell Heath via 86 part it would be indirect route to king George hospital but it would assist the 86 at the current corridor and make it fully DD at all operation also help out at peak time at Newbury Park which is very busy. Then at the romford end extend the 368 to Romford station so it helps out the 86 at the other end |
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