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Post by busoccultation on Aug 8, 2019 21:37:22 GMT
ServerKing would struggle to use his R class in there now if he had it. The R Class was 2.5 ton and was wide, lol... I got stuck in the Palace Car Park in Enfield, so embarrassing  Rotherhithe Tunnel is narrow at the best of times... I'm surprised the 395 bus coped back in the day when First ran it with the Sprinter bread vans Back in a BMW, a 3 series (temporary) whilst my X5 is undergoing repairs for a recall. The Nissan X Trail started to rattle like a Wrightbus so time for a change  Just bear in mind your BMW X5 weighs over 2 tonnes and is just over 2 meters wide so that might have issues when going though Rotherhithe Tunnel like the R class would have  |
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Post by thesquirrels on Aug 8, 2019 21:38:03 GMT
The's 395's precursor was the P14, which ran from Surrey Quays through to the Isle of Dogs (Mudchute Asda?) via Limehouse. The Surrey Quays - Docklands connection was deemed redundant with the opening of the Jubilee Line extension, so was reworked to run Canada Water - Surrey Quays - Rotherhithe Station - tunnel - Limehouse. I think it became the 395 around that time, and the Starriders gave way to Metroriders and then the little Sprinters. A bifurcation down Timber Pond Road was added to give the route some purpose but I think the restricted hours (M-S til mid evening, half hourly only) meant it never really found a niche post-JLE. A shame to see it go, and Timber Pond Road remains unserved to this day, but it is hardly a public transport desert and other ways of getting between the two termini exist.
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Post by redexpress on Aug 9, 2019 6:39:25 GMT
The's 395's precursor was the P14, which ran from Surrey Quays through to the Isle of Dogs (Mudchute Asda?) via Limehouse. The Surrey Quays - Docklands connection was deemed redundant with the opening of the Jubilee Line extension, so was reworked to run Canada Water - Surrey Quays - Rotherhithe Station - tunnel - Limehouse. I think it became the 395 around that time, and the Starriders gave way to Metroriders and then the little Sprinters. A bifurcation down Timber Pond Road was added to give the route some purpose but I think the restricted hours (M-S til mid evening, half hourly only) meant it never really found a niche post-JLE. A shame to see it go, and Timber Pond Road remains unserved to this day, but it is hardly a public transport desert and other ways of getting between the two termini exist. P14 was a nice little route. Its Docklands terminus changed over the years; in its latter years it looped round the Isle of Dogs and terminated at the City Pride pub (now demolished) on Westferry Road.
395 was home to the last remaining StarRiders in London when Stagecoach had the contract. The route was then awarded to First Capital in 2001 on the basis of using new low-floor buses, but there was nothing on the market that could fit through the tunnel so they started the contract with old MetroRiders instead. Optare Aleros were considered but weren't available with automatic transmission at the time, so the MetroRiders survived until Mercedes came up with a TfL-compliant version of the Sprinter. Just as well First didn't take Aleros as they turned out to be horribly unreliable machines.
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 9, 2019 17:41:11 GMT
The R Class was 2.5 ton and was wide, lol... I got stuck in the Palace Car Park in Enfield, so embarrassing Rotherhithe Tunnel is narrow at the best of times... I'm surprised the 395 bus coped back in the day when First ran it with the Sprinter bread vans Back in a BMW, a 3 series (temporary) whilst my X5 is undergoing repairs for a recall. The Nissan X Trail started to rattle like a Wrightbus so time for a change Just bear in mind your BMW X5 weighs over 2 tonnes and is just over 2 meters wide so that might have issues when going though Rotherhithe Tunnel like the R class would have The old X5 had no issue with the tunnel, but as I'm hardly in that part of town, no worries |
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Aug 12, 2019 22:12:16 GMT
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Post by redexpress on Aug 13, 2019 6:46:44 GMT
Didn't realise the Docklands Minibus operation was planned to be as big as 100 vehicles. P14 had started in Nov 1988 so predated the Docklands routes.
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Post by londonboy71 on Aug 13, 2019 7:03:07 GMT
Doesn't anyone remember the 82? It was DD and was well used
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 7:49:30 GMT
Doesn't anyone remember the 82? It was DD and was well used RT operated, I don't know about usage as it was before my time. |
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Post by John tuthill on Aug 13, 2019 9:21:52 GMT
Doesn't anyone remember the 82? It was DD and was well used RT operated, I don't know about usage as it was before my time. Check out Ian Armstrongs bus route page |
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Post by busaholic on Aug 13, 2019 17:59:26 GMT
Doesn't anyone remember the 82? It was DD and was well used RT operated, I don't know about usage as it was before my time. RT operated for less than two months, after which it was withdrawn, the Tunnel to never see DD operation again.  I'm being literal, it was RTL operated for years, the Leyland version of the RT. I vaguely remember it, the Blackwall Tunnel's 108/A being more my neck of the woods. |
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Post by John tuthill on Aug 26, 2019 13:06:19 GMT
Doesn't anyone remember the 82? It was DD and was well used RT operated, I don't know about usage as it was before my time. Londonboy71 and palacefan, a little bit of nostalgia for you both ;)Not my photo Attachment Deleted |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 26, 2019 13:30:17 GMT
Nope - mine! Happy for you to use it though Here's the same bus operating the very last southbound journey, the 18.00 Limehouse-Surrey Quays on Friday 28th April 2006: flic.kr/p/8cYWMNIt's return journey was used by a number of enthusiasts, and may possibly be the first time the route had ever had a standing load (it was certainly the last!). I sat on the very back seats with my arm stretched out over the back, so I can probably lay claim to being the very last person to ride on a public bus service through the Rotherhithe Tunnel. While I'm here, there are a couple of other bus routes that used the Tunnel. Some will remember that when the East London Line was closed for upgrading in the mid-1990s, two rail replacement bus routes operated. The ELX ran to Aldgate (?) with full-size buses, but there was also an ELT which operated through the Tunnel for local journeys and used orange-liveried Optare Starriders. Over time these developed scraping along the side as they could only just get through the posts which enforced the (then) 7'6" width restriction. The closure was only meant to be for a few months, but work had to stop when the rail tunnel, built by Brunel pére et fils and originally a pedestrian tunnel, was given Listed status and work stopped until a compromise could be reached. The routes continued in the end for three years. A more obscure service ran when the route was closed again between 2007 and 2010 for conversion to a London Overground line. This time no equivalent of the ELT was operated. However Tower Hamlets Council operated a minibus from Wapping to Surrey Quays Shopping centre so that local residents could continue to do their shopping there. The service was free, but to use it you had to be a resident of Tower Hamlets, and you needed to register. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 23, 2023 0:46:34 GMT
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Post by ronnie on Dec 23, 2023 0:51:53 GMT
Was about to post. This is nuts and again adds to the reason why sadiq khan needs to be thrown out asap So in E/SE London you always pay a toll …. |
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Post by TB123 on Dec 23, 2023 1:27:47 GMT
Was about to post. This is nuts and again adds to the reason why sadiq khan needs to be thrown out asap So in E/SE London you always pay a toll …. And what's Susan Hall gonna do about it? Forget the tunnels exist then do a broadcast saying the Tooting Popular Front has stolen them off TfL? |
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I'm being literal, it was RTL operated for years, the Leyland version of the RT. I vaguely remember it, the Blackwall Tunnel's 108/A being more my neck of the woods.
