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Post by arrivaarriva on Aug 31, 2019 1:41:39 GMT
What we currently have is a 24-hours 266 between Brent Cross and Hammersmith.
What we will be getting (daytime) is a 266 between Brent Cross and Acton High Street and a new 218 between North Acton Station and Hammersmith with a new N266 between Brent Cross and Hammersmith.
Why?
The 266 is well used but does not have any constant overcrowding problem whereas the single deck 218 may well get overcrowded at times with people wanting to go to Bromyard Avenue, Askew Road, Goldhawk Road and Hammersmith.
There will be two routes on the road rather than one. Some passengers will suffer the inconvenience of changing buses.
What is the problem with keeping the 266 just as it is now?
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Post by ronnie on Aug 31, 2019 2:30:37 GMT
What we currently have is a 24-hours 266 between Brent Cross and Hammersmith. What we will be getting (daytime) is a 266 between Brent Cross and Acton High Street and a new 218 between North Acton Station and Hammersmith with a new N266 between Brent Cross and Hammersmith. Why? The 266 is well used but does not have any constant overcrowding problem whereas the single deck 218 may well get overcrowded at times with people wanting to go to Bromyard Avenue, Askew Road, Goldhawk Road and Hammersmith. There will be two routes on the road rather than one. Some passengers will suffer the inconvenience of changing buses. What is the problem with keeping the 266 just as it is now? The 266 is a very long route. Off-peak is around 90 minutes so peak must be even higher. There are multiple traffic hotspots on the route aa well - plus it is alone for a fairly significant chunk of its route I think what TfL is trying to do is similar to what they did with the 83 a few years back. The 83 used to be a long massive route from Ealing hospital to Golders green. This was broken up into 83 (Alperton to Golders green) and 483 (Ealing hospital to Harrow) with N83 doing Ealing hospital to Golders green. |
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Post by 6HP502C on Aug 31, 2019 7:12:16 GMT
What we currently have is a 24-hours 266 between Brent Cross and Hammersmith. What we will be getting (daytime) is a 266 between Brent Cross and Acton High Street and a new 218 between North Acton Station and Hammersmith with a new N266 between Brent Cross and Hammersmith. Why? The 266 is well used but does not have any constant overcrowding problem whereas the single deck 218 may well get overcrowded at times with people wanting to go to Bromyard Avenue, Askew Road, Goldhawk Road and Hammersmith. There will be two routes on the road rather than one. Some passengers will suffer the inconvenience of changing buses. What is the problem with keeping the 266 just as it is now? How reliable is the 266 between Acton and Hammersmith in the peaks when all of the scheduled capacity is needed? It's also worth mentioning that the 306 will serve Bromyard Avenue, Askew Road, Goldhawk Road and Hammersmith in addition to the 218. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Aug 31, 2019 8:22:34 GMT
The 266 is very unreliable at the Hammersmith end which causes overcrowding in the peaks. The route needs to be shortened, so no objection in principle.
At present there is a date for the introduction of the 218 but the curtailment of the 266 at Acton will not happen at the same time. That awaits the introduction of the 306 for which there is no date.
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Post by LT 20181 on Aug 31, 2019 9:00:05 GMT
The 266 is very unreliable at the Hammersmith end which causes overcrowding in the peaks. The route needs to be shortened, so no objection in principle. At present there is a date for the introduction of the 218 but the curtailment of the 266 at Acton will not happen at the same time. That awaits the introduction of the 306 for which there is no date. There is now. The latest tender programme update has included new route 306 in Tranche 711 and the 306 is due to start at the same time the 218 does if/when awarded |
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Post by rif153 on Aug 31, 2019 9:21:52 GMT
The SD 218 will be carnege on Askew Road. There's so much demand along there, and I don't think a single decker is sufficient to meet that demand. Of course there will be the DD 306 which will help take some of the pressure but if the 218 is the first to the stop it'll be overwhelmed. Not sending the 306 to Acton High Street was a huge mistake, because there is popular demand for the Acton-Hammersmith link, Acton Vale is a pathetic terminus.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 31, 2019 9:34:09 GMT
Yes I agree the change is needed but can't help but think with some tweaks the 218 couldn't have just been an 8-10 min service and in essence simply a localisation replacing part of the 266 then paralleling few a few stops to the next logical terminus like with the 363, 430 and 432 etc. Could even have done a Hammermsigh yo Willsden 218. The 306 is going to stop short of where most want to go meaning loading along Askew Road towards Acton Vale are going to be very light. Also the 391 does seem to be able to cope between Fulham and Hammersmith with SDs and maintains a cross Hammersmith link lost by the 27.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 31, 2019 9:46:26 GMT
Yes I agree the change is needed but can't help but think with some tweaks the 218 couldn't have just been an 8-10 min service and in essence simply a localisation replacing part of the 266 then paralleling few a few stops to the next logical terminus like with the 363, 430 and 432 etc. Could even have done a Hammermsigh yo Willsden 218. The 306 is going to stop short of where most want to go meaning loading along Askew Road towards Acton Vale are going to be very light. Also the 391 does seem to be able to cope between Fulham and Hammersmith with SDs and maintains a cross Hammersmith link lost by the 27. The thing I'm dreading is a lack of a common stop at Hammersmith Bus Station for the 218/306. The 306 will serve the upper bus station westbound, whilst the 218/391 will only be able to stand in the lower bus station, and I don't think they'd do a 283, by where they stand at the Lower Bus Station then serve the upper one. I already think Hammersmith having two separate bus stations is a nightmare if you have a choice of routes, and there isn't a comprehensive departure board to help you decide. At this rate, I'll be boarding buses on King Street where at least I know all the routes stop together. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 31, 2019 10:10:01 GMT
What we currently have is a 24-hours 266 between Brent Cross and Hammersmith. What we will be getting (daytime) is a 266 between Brent Cross and Acton High Street and a new 218 between North Acton Station and Hammersmith with a new N266 between Brent Cross and Hammersmith. Why? The 266 is well used but does not have any constant overcrowding problem whereas the single deck 218 may well get overcrowded at times with people wanting to go to Bromyard Avenue, Askew Road, Goldhawk Road and Hammersmith. There will be two routes on the road rather than one. Some passengers will suffer the inconvenience of changing buses. What is the problem with keeping the 266 just as it is now? TfL are currently ripping up convenient interchanges due to the introduction of hopper fare which can be a put off to many. However, as others have mentioned, the 266 is also a very busy service serving many traffic hotspots and reliability seems to be an issue here hence the cutback. I think the issue here is the 306 not running as far as Acton and instead terminating short of it being an issue. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 31, 2019 10:13:43 GMT
I think a suggestion was made on this forum to instead cut the 266 at the northern end (maybe to around Willesden?), with the 460 instead rerouted via Brent Cross, also in place of the proposed 112 extension. Though I think the 13 may struggle between Finchley & Golders Green without the 460.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 12:20:05 GMT
What we currently have is a 24-hours 266 between Brent Cross and Hammersmith. What we will be getting (daytime) is a 266 between Brent Cross and Acton High Street and a new 218 between North Acton Station and Hammersmith with a new N266 between Brent Cross and Hammersmith. Why? The 266 is well used but does not have any constant overcrowding problem whereas the single deck 218 may well get overcrowded at times with people wanting to go to Bromyard Avenue, Askew Road, Goldhawk Road and Hammersmith. There will be two routes on the road rather than one. Some passengers will suffer the inconvenience of changing buses. What is the problem with keeping the 266 just as it is now? The 266 is a very long route. Off-peak is around 90 minutes so peak must be even higher. There are multiple traffic hotspots on the route aa well - plus it is alone for a fairly significant chunk of its route I think what TfL is trying to do is similar to what they did with the 83 a few years back. The 83 used to be a long massive route from Ealing hospital to Golders green. This was broken up into 83 (Alperton to Golders green) and 483 (Ealing hospital to Harrow) with N83 doing Ealing hospital to Golders green. And the same thing with the 140 with the new X140 being introduced and the new 278 |
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Post by ronnie on Aug 31, 2019 12:38:06 GMT
The 266 is a very long route. Off-peak is around 90 minutes so peak must be even higher. There are multiple traffic hotspots on the route aa well - plus it is alone for a fairly significant chunk of its route I think what TfL is trying to do is similar to what they did with the 83 a few years back. The 83 used to be a long massive route from Ealing hospital to Golders green. This was broken up into 83 (Alperton to Golders green) and 483 (Ealing hospital to Harrow) with N83 doing Ealing hospital to Golders green. And the same thing with the 140 with the new X140 being introduced and the new 278 The 140 May not be the best idea in my view. Defer to someone local but I did it end to end yesterday at 10pm and it was rammed at Heathrow Central itself! Maybe 4-5 seats were left in the upper deck and downstairs was almost full with people standing. Reminded me of 25 in its heydays |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 19:57:42 GMT
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Post by busaholic on Aug 31, 2019 20:02:42 GMT
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Post by rif153 on Aug 31, 2019 20:18:15 GMT
And the same thing with the 140 with the new X140 being introduced and the new 278 The 140 May not be the best idea in my view. Defer to someone local but I did it end to end yesterday at 10pm and it was rammed at Heathrow Central itself! Maybe 4-5 seats were left in the upper deck and downstairs was almost full with people standing. Reminded me of 25 in its heydays The cynic in me thinks that TfL know there is popular demand for the 140 at Heathrow, however, pulling the 140 out of Heathrow will make it harder for fare dodgers to travel for free. Yes some will just dodge the fare on the 278 instead, but others won't be able to walk past the driver when changing to a 140 in Hayes, of course there's nothing to stop you dodging the fare even then, but it won't be as easy. |
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