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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 14:49:26 GMT
It comes to be again that certain enthusiasts continue to treat staff with contempt and have no respect for their livelihoods or jobs. While route moves are a fact of life, there is a time and a place that they happen, and it is an unsettling time for staff. It is even more unsettling for staff when certain enthusiasts go around wanting routes to move and speculating on changes while having no consideration for how this could affect the staff. If the route was badly run then I would concede the OP's point, however some enthusiasts these days are simply more concerned about how the bus looks and what logo is on it rather than the quality of the service being provided. SILENCED , you got it in a nutshell. Buses are run for the benefit of the passenger, so I'd expect passengers to be more concerned about the quality of the service being delivered. And these such speculations show little respect for the staff such as controllers, engineers and drivers who work hard to run the service as best as they can, and TB123 also mentioned that Go Ahead are very near the top of the performance league tables, and such performance results are a credit to the hardworking staff who deliver these results and provide a service for the public. Just goes to show what this forum has come to. It seems to be taken over recently by this class of enthusiasts who show no respect to staff and would rather speculate on things that can affect their jobs and show disrespect to the hardworking staff who work hard to deliver a good service.
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Post by TB123 on Apr 3, 2020 15:12:01 GMT
Not sure I'd want to see the X26 go back to RATP. It wasn't so well run at Epsom. Since it returned to GA the performance has been nothing short of fantastic. The WVLs used are also perfect for the route. I sincerely hope this is rewarded with a contract retention or at least an extension, if the price is right. I reckon it will be extended. Hopefully if retained in 2022* it could bring about the possibility of using tri-axle buses perhaps being an express route covering a long distance. *Providing the route does not receive a two year extension [br I don't think it can take triaxles sadly, they tried TA1 on the X68 and the main problem I understand was West Croydon bus station 😔 real shame as they'd be perfect. Prehaps long bi-axle Enviro400s like First Essex recently acquired for their airport services would be a good choice.
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Post by TB123 on Apr 3, 2020 15:12:19 GMT
It comes to be again that certain enthusiasts continue to treat staff with contempt and have no respect for their livelihoods or jobs. While route moves are a fact of life, there is a time and a place that they happen, and it is an unsettling time for staff. It is even more unsettling for staff when certain enthusiasts go around wanting routes to move and speculating on changes while having no consideration for how this could affect the staff. If the route was badly run then I would concede the OP's point, however some enthusiasts these days are simply more concerned about how the bus looks and what logo is on it rather than the quality of the service being provided. SILENCED , you got it in a nutshell. Buses are run for the benefit of the passenger, so I'd expect passengers to be more concerned about the quality of the service being delivered. And these such speculations show little respect for the staff such as controllers, engineers and drivers who work hard to run the service as best as they can, and TB123 also mentioned that Go Ahead are very near the top of the performance league tables, and such performance results are a credit to the hardworking staff who deliver these results and provide a service for the public. Just goes to show what this forum has come to. It seems to be taken over recently by this class of enthusiasts who show no respect to staff and would rather speculate on things that can affect their jobs and show disrespect to the hardworking staff who work hard to deliver a good service. I couldn't agree more.
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Post by george on Apr 3, 2020 15:15:11 GMT
It comes to be again that certain enthusiasts continue to treat staff with contempt and have no respect for their livelihoods or jobs. While route moves are a fact of life, there is a time and a place that they happen, and it is an unsettling time for staff. It is even more unsettling for staff when certain enthusiasts go around wanting routes to move and speculating on changes while having no consideration for how this could affect the staff. If the route was badly run then I would concede the OP's point, however some enthusiasts these days are simply more concerned about how the bus looks and what logo is on it rather than the quality of the service being provided. SILENCED , you got it in a nutshell. Buses are run for the benefit of the passenger, so I'd expect passengers to be more concerned about the quality of the service being delivered. And these such speculations show little respect for the staff such as controllers, engineers and drivers who work hard to run the service as best as they can, and TB123 also mentioned that Go Ahead are very near the top of the performance league tables, and such performance results are a credit to the hardworking staff who deliver these results and provide a service for the public. Just goes to show what this forum has come to. It seems to be taken over recently by this class of enthusiasts who show no respect to staff and would rather speculate on things that can affect their jobs and show disrespect to the hardworking staff who work hard to deliver a good service. I for one always think about staff when posting tender predictions and that's why I always do it in the relevant thread. Personally I like to do it to see which ones I get right and which ones I get wrong when it comes to the day of the tender. I'd also like garages that have lost a lot of work recently to gain routes which is surely a good thing.
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Post by route53 on Apr 3, 2020 15:15:58 GMT
The only thing I will say in regards to enthusiasts having more respect for staff, indeed that should be the case but it’s a two way street and I’ve seen plenty of examples elsewhere where staff belittle & take the mick out of enthusiasts. If both sides looked at their behaviour a bit more, then the bus scene might actually benefit somewhat. I must agree, this forum is becoming just like the railforums were staff regard themselves as superior human beings to the humble passenger/enthusiast where they seem to forget that the operations they run are there for the benefit of the public and not there to make them think in their folly they are superimportant, because they are not. One of the reasons why I left the railforum in the first place. There was some unnecessary weird hierarchy on that site that’s made me leave in the end
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Post by TB123 on Apr 3, 2020 15:16:27 GMT
Not saying better, saying that the facts obviously show GAL are doing something better with performance recently. I like and respect both operators myself. As mhv85 said, it's not helpful at the moment, I totally see that some will always like discussing tenders, but there's a time and a place, and a line to respect, imo. It's a difficult time at the minute for bus staff, the most challenging since the war probably. I myself, have seen enormous changes around working patterns, which are difficult to cope with at times. There would be no hobby without hard-working bus staff and I think some enthusiasts should have a little more respect for those that keep the wheels turning (if you pardon the pun), and be careful in how they word things. Sorry if my post offended people. The only thing I will say in regards to enthusiasts having more respect for staff, indeed that should be the case but it’s a two way street and I’ve seen plenty of examples elsewhere where staff belittle & take the mick out of enthusiasts. If both sides looked at their behaviour a bit more, then the bus scene might actually benefit somewhat. I totally agree. I've always made a bit of a joke of it myself at work, and I'm lucky my colleagues have always totally respected me being an enthusiast and I've never been laughed at or anything, nor have I heard them laugh at other enthusiasts they encounter. Also really good that my employer recognises enthusiasts, having done open days previously and having an informative enthusiasts web page. I think it's a very useful thing to have in the workplace, that my hobby is also my job. It gives you a fresh perspective and makes the job more rewarding. My boss took me in to my current role partly because of that.
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Post by YY13VKP on Apr 3, 2020 16:37:44 GMT
Back to Metroline: 105, 209, 139, E7, 207, 427 Back to RATP: 81, 120, 140, 222, 235, 285, 482, X26 Back to GAL: 85, 293 Back to Abellio: 172, 117, C3, 452, 343 I always felt that the 293 felt rather out of place at C, with Morden being the only closest place to it. Although if Go-Ahead were to run it again it could be based at AL or A.
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Post by beaver14uk on Apr 3, 2020 18:41:52 GMT
Slowly coming off these forums just deleted The Londoner group, and was chatting to current and former TfL staff who are doing likewise. uote author=" TB123" source="/post/561349/thread" timestamp="1585913331"] I do find it funny you claim people are "fanboying" just to then go on and claim Go Ahead is better. wirewiper has already put this well however you cannot stop people from speculating around what company they'd like to see on a route. Especially now people are at home the mind will wander far more than it usually does. This along with the Speculation and operator suggestions thread are both full of speculation - you can tell that from the title. If you still click on it to read what's going on despite knowing what the topic is and then claim it's insensitive you shouldn't have clicked on the thread. This thread has also been going for some time and if there was an issue around what was being discussed I'm sure the moderators will have stepped in by now. Not everyone will like the same topic, that's a given. The enthusiast community is not full of people who like the same thing about buses and it would be boring if that was the case. However people do still have a right to discuss, someone who is effectively making a post that's relevant to the thread topic shouldn't have to deal with someone claiming they're insensitive when the whole topic of the thread is such. Not saying better, saying that the facts obviously show GAL are doing something better with performance recently. I like and respect both operators myself. As mhv85 said, it's not helpful at the moment, I totally see that some will always like discussing tenders, but there's a time and a place, and a line to respect, imo. It's a difficult time at the minute for bus staff, the most challenging since the war probably. I myself, have seen enormous changes around working patterns, which are difficult to cope with at times. There would be no hobby without hard-working bus staff and I think some enthusiasts should have a little more respect for those that keep the wheels turning (if you pardon the pun), and be careful in how they word things. Sorry if my post offended people. [/quote]
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Apr 3, 2020 21:09:04 GMT
135 back at Arriva and this time run it from AE, instead of DX when Arriva had the 135 until 2015. I would love for this to happen. Always thought AE would be a suitable garage for the 135.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 3, 2020 21:47:34 GMT
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 4, 2020 6:11:11 GMT
Back to Metroline: 105, 209, 139, E7, 207, 427 Back to RATP: 81, 120, 140, 222, 235, 285, 482, X26 Back to GAL: 85, 293 Back to Abellio: 172, 117, C3, 452, 343 I would like to see the 81 and 482 return to RATP. However, I don't want to see the 207 return to Metroline as Abellio have so few routes in Shepherd's Bush its nice to have them livening up the bus scene there whilst Metroline and RATP have several routes there Abellio only have two. Once the 427 is hacked back to Southall I would be happy to see it go to Metroline. Would be nice to have a single decker Metroline route in my area as we have a lot of Abellio but I do like the E7 at Abellio, one route I do want to see return to Metroline is the E9. I'd prefer Metroline to win route E7 for serving Ruislip rather than route E9.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 4, 2020 6:18:50 GMT
It’s been 22 years but I do wish the 180 would go back to being a Stagecoach route, it’s a Selkent ironhorse alongside the 53, 54, 177 & 208. The 194 being an Arriva route also doesn’t feel right somehow, it should revert back to Stagecoach and made to serve Forest Hill again, but that’s for another thread I always preferred route 180 at PD (and hitherto AW). While it made some sense having route 180 run from BV MG seems less appropriate being so far west. I therefore hope it returns to PD next October.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 4, 2020 16:50:07 GMT
I would like to see the 81 and 482 return to RATP. However, I don't want to see the 207 return to Metroline as Abellio have so few routes in Shepherd's Bush its nice to have them livening up the bus scene there whilst Metroline and RATP have several routes there Abellio only have two. Once the 427 is hacked back to Southall I would be happy to see it go to Metroline. Would be nice to have a single decker Metroline route in my area as we have a lot of Abellio but I do like the E7 at Abellio, one route I do want to see return to Metroline is the E9. I'd prefer Metroline to win route E7 for serving Ruislip rather than route E9. Ruislip already has plenty of Metroline with the 114, 331, U1 but then it does have another Abellio route in the 278 if they were to lose the E7.
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Post by LK65EBO on Apr 4, 2020 17:01:34 GMT
As I said above, routes changing operator are a fact of life - although I am sensitive enough to realise that this can be unsettling for drivers and staff. Also as I said before, I would hope that staff affected are offered whatever support they need - and that staff recognise their own need for support and ask for it. Enthusiasts speculating on such changes are also a fact of life - after all, that's the whole point of this thread. I think some folks take the speculation a little far for my liking. I totally get what you say, but there's a line I think. Uncertainty around employment is a horrible thing to go through and something I've had to endure recently. If you don't like the speculation why don't you just stay away from the thread?
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Post by george on Apr 4, 2020 17:02:54 GMT
I'd prefer Metroline to win route E7 for serving Ruislip rather than route E9. Ruislip already has plenty of Metroline with the 114, 331, U1 but then it does have another Abellio route in the 278 if they were to lose the E7. Could RATP be an option for the E7?
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