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Post by wirewiper on Oct 21, 2021 10:38:45 GMT
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Post by WH241 on Oct 21, 2021 11:03:30 GMT
Based on past experience it probably means there is a plan c as they are already leaving things too late now! So will probably have to skip B! Sadly even if they do introduce measure like face coverings again uptake will be very low based on transport and supermarkets at the moment. This is worrying as it potentially means things could get really bad is people continue as they are now. People just gave up listening to mixed messages. Maybe if the government didn't treat covid like a video game that they had completed we wouldn't me in this mess now.
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 21, 2021 11:25:57 GMT
Based on past experience it probably means there is a plan c as they are already leaving things too late now! So will probably have to skip B! Sadly even if they do introduce measure like face coverings again uptake will be very low based on transport and supermarkets at the moment. This is worrying as it potentially means things could get really bad is people continue as they are now. People just gave up listening to mixed messages. Maybe if the government didn't treat covid like a video game that they had completed we wouldn't me in this mess now. We are certainly at a potential "tipping point" at the moment. A lot of the steep rise in infections is amongst schoolchildren, and this is building herd immunity within that age group. The danger is when infected children interact with adults - vaccines reduce the severity of illness but they don't prevent infections, and for the older and more clinically vulnerable who had their vaccines early this year, unless there is an effort to get boosters in (which can only occur six months after the second jab) the forthcoming winter could be dangerous. There is a bright spark on the horizon; for areas like London and the North West which had the highest infection rates early on in the pandemic, the "hybrid immunity" (the combination of immunity from vaccinations and previous infections) means that these areas could be spared the worst effects over the forthcoming winter. For me though, mask stays on.
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 21, 2021 12:40:03 GMT
Based on past experience it probably means there is a plan c as they are already leaving things too late now! So will probably have to skip B! Sadly even if they do introduce measure like face coverings again uptake will be very low based on transport and supermarkets at the moment. This is worrying as it potentially means things could get really bad is people continue as they are now. People just gave up listening to mixed messages. Maybe if the government didn't treat covid like a video game that they had completed we wouldn't me in this mess now. At some point we have to accept that COVID-19 is here to stay for a long time, if not forever. We need to move on with our lives and start focusing on other things. That doesn’t mean that people should be complacent but we just need to accept it. I know it sounds weird and counterintuitive but there is only so much people will tolerate.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 21, 2021 13:36:54 GMT
Based on past experience it probably means there is a plan c as they are already leaving things too late now! So will probably have to skip B! Sadly even if they do introduce measure like face coverings again uptake will be very low based on transport and supermarkets at the moment. This is worrying as it potentially means things could get really bad is people continue as they are now. People just gave up listening to mixed messages. Maybe if the government didn't treat covid like a video game that they had completed we wouldn't me in this mess now. At some point we have to accept that COVID-19 is here to stay for a long time, if not forever. We need to move on with our lives and start focusing on other things. That doesn’t mean that people should be complacent but we just need to accept it. I know it sounds weird and counterintuitive but there is only so much people will tolerate. I think everyone accepts that but some restrictions could be easily imposed that has no effect on the economy or way of life like mask wearing - Jacob Rees-Mogg today making silly statements when it was questioned why MP's all bunched up indoors don't wear masks and set the example by saying, "we all know each other" Err, that's not how it works - I know my work colleagues and a number of regular customers yet I wear my mask when I'm on the shop regardless only taking it off for my break or when I'm in the warehouse where your usually alone anyway. I don't think anyone is realistically asking for more serious stuff like lockdowns so at the least, it should be looked into.
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 21, 2021 18:00:50 GMT
The "Temporary Service Variation" mechanism which was brought in early in the pandemic to allow operators to vary their services on a temporary basis, has been extended from 31st December 2021 to 31st March 2022. Any service operating under a temporary service variation must revert to its March 2020 service by that date, unless any changes have been registered permanently. No new temporary service variations will be accepted after 31st December.
The situation is different for coach services with registered sections, as it is recognised that such services may not be able to return to their pre-pandemic levels as quickly and may need continuing easement into the first half of 2022.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 22, 2021 16:33:53 GMT
Based on past experience it probably means there is a plan c as they are already leaving things too late now! So will probably have to skip B! Sadly even if they do introduce measure like face coverings again uptake will be very low based on transport and supermarkets at the moment. This is worrying as it potentially means things could get really bad is people continue as they are now. People just gave up listening to mixed messages. Maybe if the government didn't treat covid like a video game that they had completed we wouldn't me in this mess now. At some point we have to accept that COVID-19 is here to stay for a long time, if not forever. We need to move on with our lives and start focusing on other things. That doesn’t mean that people should be complacent but we just need to accept it. I know it sounds weird and counterintuitive but there is only so much people will tolerate. Agreed and I'm starting to worry about how long measures will be on and off for because it would be great to have a sense of normality but also making sure death rates are low.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 16:38:59 GMT
At some point we have to accept that COVID-19 is here to stay for a long time, if not forever. We need to move on with our lives and start focusing on other things. That doesn’t mean that people should be complacent but we just need to accept it. I know it sounds weird and counterintuitive but there is only so much people will tolerate. Agreed and I'm starting to worry about how long measures will be on and off for because it would be great to have a sense of normality but also making sure death rates are low. I don't think this on/off method of implementing restrictions will work or go down well with the general public. After 18 months of restrictions people will be tired of hearing there could be more restrictions. I think the best way forward is to keep things as they are now, with restrictions at a minimum, and the focus should instead be on vaccination. Restrictions are only a short term response to curb the virus, I just don't think they are necessary when there is vaccination now.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 22, 2021 16:46:46 GMT
Agreed and I'm starting to worry about how long measures will be on and off for because it would be great to have a sense of normality but also making sure death rates are low. I don't think this on/off method of implementing restrictions will work or go down well with the general public. After 18 months of restrictions people will be tired of hearing there could be more restrictions. I think the best way forward is to keep things as they are now, with restrictions at a minimum, and the focus should instead be on vaccination. Restrictions are only a short term response to curb the virus, I just don't think they are necessary when there is vaccination now. Agreed the pandemic has wreaked enough havoc and vaccination is absolutely the way forward and I am in agreement with vaccinating 12-15 year olds as well as vaccinating adults who have not yet received the jab and giving out booster shots. There's also a question as to how long masks will have to be worn for because it certainly can't be permanent and same with social distancing?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 5:33:19 GMT
Imo vaccine passports aren't that bad to implement because it means that those who are vaccinated can still do stuff like go to clubs. Those who can't take the vaccine for medical reasons should receive a vaccine passport exemption card which means that they aren't disadvantaged
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Post by greenboy on Oct 23, 2021 9:40:06 GMT
Imo vaccine passports aren't that bad to implement because it means that those who are vaccinated can still do stuff like go to clubs. Those who can't take the vaccine for medical reasons should receive a vaccine passport exemption card which means that they aren't disadvantaged Why should there be any exemptions? If you can't or won't have the vaccine you don't get in the nightclub.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 11:24:58 GMT
Imo vaccine passports aren't that bad to implement because it means that those who are vaccinated can still do stuff like go to clubs. Those who can't take the vaccine for medical reasons should receive a vaccine passport exemption card which means that they aren't disadvantaged Why should there be any exemptions? If you can't or won't have the vaccine you don't get in the nightclub. I'm sure there's a small minority who for medical reasons can't have the vaccine, so would be disadvantaged. Those who refuse to take the vaccine for other reasons are selfish and shouldn't have access to these places if a vaccine passport gets implemented. Having said that I doubt the government will implement this anytime soon
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 23, 2021 12:09:09 GMT
Why should there be any exemptions? If you can't or won't have the vaccine you don't get in the nightclub. I'm sure there's a small minority who for medical reasons can't have the vaccine, so would be disadvantaged. Those who refuse to take the vaccine for other reasons are selfish and shouldn't have access to these places if a vaccine passport gets implemented. Having said that I doubt the government will implement this anytime soon If you can’t take it for medical reasons than it’s likely you are classed as vulnerable so you shouldn’t really be mixing in a nightclub within inches of a few hundred sweaty people anyway. I’m fully vaccinated and have no plans to return to nightclubs or full capacity theatres etc anytime soon. Obviously some people are exempt because of allergies etc. At the end of the day people have to make their own choices and we shouldn’t exist in a society that divides us between vaccinated and unvaccinated, like lockdowns it’s just no sustainable in the long term.
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Post by greenboy on Oct 23, 2021 12:42:00 GMT
I'm sure there's a small minority who for medical reasons can't have the vaccine, so would be disadvantaged. Those who refuse to take the vaccine for other reasons are selfish and shouldn't have access to these places if a vaccine passport gets implemented. Having said that I doubt the government will implement this anytime soon If you can’t take it for medical reasons than it’s likely you are classed as vulnerable so you shouldn’t really be mixing in a nightclub within inches of a few hundred sweaty people anyway. I’m fully vaccinated and have no plans to return to nightclubs or full capacity theatres etc anytime soon. Obviously some people are exempt because of allergies etc. At the end of the day people have to make their own choices and we shouldn’t exist in a society that divides us between vaccinated and unvaccinated, like lockdowns it’s just no sustainable in the long term. If people were only putting themselves at risk by not being vaccinated then it would be entirely their choice but unfortunately that isn't the case. I'm also fully vaccinated and I try to avoid crowded indoor venues, just seems an unnecessary risk to me.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 23, 2021 13:03:44 GMT
I'm sure there's a small minority who for medical reasons can't have the vaccine, so would be disadvantaged. Those who refuse to take the vaccine for other reasons are selfish and shouldn't have access to these places if a vaccine passport gets implemented. Having said that I doubt the government will implement this anytime soon If you can’t take it for medical reasons than it’s likely you are classed as vulnerable so you shouldn’t really be mixing in a nightclub within inches of a few hundred sweaty people anyway. I’m fully vaccinated and have no plans to return to nightclubs or full capacity theatres etc anytime soon. Obviously some people are exempt because of allergies etc. At the end of the day people have to make their own choices and we shouldn’t exist in a society that divides us between vaccinated and unvaccinated, like lockdowns it’s just no sustainable in the long term. I personally have been to the theatre a good few times and have had no issue with going there but I agree on nightclubs and I agree there is an unnecessary divide and though I encourage vaccination it has gone too far in regards to dividing the population.
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