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Post by busoccultation on May 29, 2022 17:12:51 GMT
I agree, can't see the VHs/MVs leaving before their time now, especially as Stagecoach already do have their own B5LHs around. Although the WHs depending on their lease agreements could potentially leave when the 262 and 473 are up for tender again, but I can't imagine Stagecoach being in a desperate rush to remove them mid contract. The Streetlites are non-standard in the London fleet but they do have them outside London so aren't a completely alien type either so I can also see them staying until the end. Quite honestly I think all the fleet will be retained excluding the 339 batch. The majority of the fleet is similar age to the current fleet. In addition the Scanias have managed to stay in service up until now. It took Go Ahead long enough to withdraw the many Scanias they did not want, in addition funny enough when they took over NP everything at that garage were existing types they had in their fleet, including the Marshalls as BX did have them. The 58 however I can see those VNs being the first to go as the route is coming up for tender. Depending on what happens to the 53s vehicles could easily be a direct replacement for the 58 if retained. The VN fleet as you say, could be the first type inherited from TT to leave when the 58 is up for tender or even be replaced next year with the 11reg E400's from the 62/145 & 86 which will be up for tender by then, should Stagecoach to wants to replace the VN's with buses around the same age from their own fleet.
If there is anything at LI that could leave in the short term, my gusses it would be either the 58reg DML's or the two 11reg DN's that are still at LI as spares.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 29, 2022 17:17:00 GMT
Quite honestly I think all the fleet will be retained excluding the 339 batch. The majority of the fleet is similar age to the current fleet. In addition the Scanias have managed to stay in service up until now. It took Go Ahead long enough to withdraw the many Scanias they did not want, in addition funny enough when they took over NP everything at that garage were existing types they had in their fleet, including the Marshalls as BX did have them. The 58 however I can see those VNs being the first to go as the route is coming up for tender. Depending on what happens to the 53s vehicles could easily be a direct replacement for the 58 if retained. The VN fleet as you say, could be the first type inherited from TT to leave when the 58 is up for tender or even be replaced next year with the 11reg E400's from the 62/145 & 86 which will be up for tender by then, should Stagecoach to wants to replace the VN's with buses around the same age from their own fleet.
If there is anything at LI that could leave in the short term, my gusses it would be either the 58reg DML's or the two 11reg DN's that are still at LI as spares.
Small correction, the 62 wouldn't release any E400s as it isn't allocated any
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Post by DT 11 on May 29, 2022 17:17:58 GMT
Quite honestly I think all the fleet will be retained excluding the 339 batch. The majority of the fleet is similar age to the current fleet. In addition the Scanias have managed to stay in service up until now. It took Go Ahead long enough to withdraw the many Scanias they did not want, in addition funny enough when they took over NP everything at that garage were existing types they had in their fleet, including the Marshalls as BX did have them. The 58 however I can see those VNs being the first to go as the route is coming up for tender. Depending on what happens to the 53s vehicles could easily be a direct replacement for the 58 if retained. The VN fleet as you say, could be the first type inherited from TT to leave when the 58 is up for tender or even be replaced next year with the 11reg E400's from the 62/145 & 86 which will be up for tender by then, should Stagecoach to wants to replace the VN's with buses around the same age from their own fleet.
If there is anything at LI that could leave in the short term, my gusses it would be either the 58reg DML's or the two 11reg DN's that are still at LI as spares.
The 58 officially has a small Hybrid allocation 3 I think, I’ll be very surprised if this route gained more diesels on the next contract even if they are newer than the VNs.
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Post by busoccultation on May 29, 2022 17:28:27 GMT
The VN fleet as you say, could be the first type inherited from TT to leave when the 58 is up for tender or even be replaced next year with the 11reg E400's from the 62/145 & 86 which will be up for tender by then, should Stagecoach to wants to replace the VN's with buses around the same age from their own fleet.
If there is anything at LI that could leave in the short term, my gusses it would be either the 58reg DML's or the two 11reg DN's that are still at LI as spares.
The 58 officially has a small Hybrid allocation 3 I think, I’ll be very surprised if this route gained more diesels on the next contract even if they are newer than the VNs. I don't mean on the next contract, but more for the remainder of the current contract of the 58 that started in 2017 and the D8.
Eastlondoner62 You're right the 62 is fully MMC allocated route and I'm aware on that, but being up for tender at the same time as the 145 it could also be involved with that depending on the tender results.
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Post by ADH45258 on May 29, 2022 22:57:57 GMT
The VN fleet as you say, could be the first type inherited from TT to leave when the 58 is up for tender or even be replaced next year with the 11reg E400's from the 62/145 & 86 which will be up for tender by then, should Stagecoach to wants to replace the VN's with buses around the same age from their own fleet.
If there is anything at LI that could leave in the short term, my gusses it would be either the 58reg DML's or the two 11reg DN's that are still at LI as spares.
The 58 officially has a small Hybrid allocation 3 I think, I’ll be very surprised if this route gained more diesels on the next contract even if they are newer than the VNs. The 58 should only be VNs since a PVR cut, on-paper the BV10 examples. There's only enough MVs at LI to cover the 308 and 678. However, the 2x 11reg DN spares at LI seem to only ever be used on the 308, (despite being a hybrid contract and likely blinded for the 58). So when the DNs are in service, a few MVs will often appear on the 58.
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Post by COBO on May 29, 2022 23:36:31 GMT
The 58 officially has a small Hybrid allocation 3 I think, I’ll be very surprised if this route gained more diesels on the next contract even if they are newer than the VNs. The 58 should only be VNs since a PVR cut, on-paper the BV10 examples. There's only enough MVs at LI to cover the 308 and 678. However, the 2x 11reg DN spares at LI seem to only ever be used on the 308, (despite being a hybrid contract and likely blinded for the 58). So when the DNs are in service, a few MVs will often appear on the 58. One MV is allocated to the 58.
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Post by vjaska on May 29, 2022 23:48:10 GMT
The 58 officially has a small Hybrid allocation 3 I think, I’ll be very surprised if this route gained more diesels on the next contract even if they are newer than the VNs. The 58 should only be VNs since a PVR cut, on-paper the BV10 examples. There's only enough MVs at LI to cover the 308 and 678. However, the 2x 11reg DN spares at LI seem to only ever be used on the 308, (despite being a hybrid contract and likely blinded for the 58). So when the DNs are in service, a few MVs will often appear on the 58. 1 MV has been allocated to the 58 for a long time now
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Post by WH241 on May 30, 2022 14:06:37 GMT
I know Stagecoach will bid for the 5, 15 and 115 when they are up but imagine it will try upmost to gain these routes back now they have the extra garage space at LI. These 3 routes could all be run together from WH.
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Post by YX10FFN on May 30, 2022 14:37:31 GMT
I know Stagecoach will bid for the 5, 15 and 115 when they are up but imagine it will try upmost to gain these routes back now they have the extra garage space at LI. These 3 routes could all be run together from WH. Judging by the dialogue in their announcement they genuinely seem to be interested in growth rather than trying to immediately sacrifice an existing garage as others have implied. "The acquired depot provides a positive platform to bid for new contracts in the area over the short and medium term". They are in a good position to claw back routes they have lost and win new ones, and shouldn't waste the opportunity.
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Post by TB123 on May 30, 2022 14:44:18 GMT
I know Stagecoach will bid for the 5, 15 and 115 when they are up but imagine it will try upmost to gain these routes back now they have the extra garage space at LI. These 3 routes could all be run together from WH. I'd suspect the 5 would just return to BK if they won it back as it is most efficient generally to run a long route like that from a base in the middle so they can get more out of the duties
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Post by ThinLizzy on May 30, 2022 15:41:09 GMT
I know Stagecoach will bid for the 5, 15 and 115 when they are up but imagine it will try upmost to gain these routes back now they have the extra garage space at LI. These 3 routes could all be run together from WH. I'd suspect the 5 would just return to BK if they won it back as it is most efficient generally to run a long route like that from a base in the middle so they can get more out of the duties not sure there is room at BK for it now with the 173 and 179 there along with the 167, 362 and 462.
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Post by ThinLizzy on May 30, 2022 15:41:57 GMT
I know Stagecoach will bid for the 5, 15 and 115 when they are up but imagine it will try upmost to gain these routes back now they have the extra garage space at LI. These 3 routes could all be run together from WH. Judging by the dialogue in their announcement they genuinely seem to be interested in growth rather than trying to immediately sacrifice an existing garage as others have implied. "The acquired depot provides a positive platform to bid for new contracts in the area over the short and medium term". They are in a good position to claw back routes they have lost and win new ones, and shouldn't waste the opportunity. absolutely, I think the new owners would be very interested in the secure income that comes from the tendered market
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Post by SILENCED on May 30, 2022 15:53:45 GMT
Judging by the dialogue in their announcement they genuinely seem to be interested in growth rather than trying to immediately sacrifice an existing garage as others have implied. "The acquired depot provides a positive platform to bid for new contracts in the area over the short and medium term". They are in a good position to claw back routes they have lost and win new ones, and shouldn't waste the opportunity. absolutely, I think the new owners would be very interested in the secure income that comes from the tendered market Probably going to wait 6 months before I make any comments/judgements on the new owners. Lets be honest they only appointed their 4 directors to the board the day before, so probably had very little, if any input into the news release.
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Post by WH241 on May 30, 2022 16:46:59 GMT
I'd suspect the 5 would just return to BK if they won it back as it is most efficient generally to run a long route like that from a base in the middle so they can get more out of the duties not sure there is room at BK for it now with the 173 and 179 there along with the 167, 362 and 462. Could always end up with the 167,362 and 462 heading in the other direction to RR garage creating space at BK for the 5.
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Post by mkay315 on May 30, 2022 16:56:27 GMT
I'd suspect the 5 would just return to BK if they won it back as it is most efficient generally to run a long route like that from a base in the middle so they can get more out of the duties not sure there is room at BK for it now with the 173 and 179 there along with the 167, 362 and 462. How about NS or is that garage also full for the 5. I do remember that garage operating it for a while when the 87 disappeared from East London.
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