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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 19, 2020 11:02:54 GMT
That batch for the 425 was ordered at the same as the batch for the 25, so I'm not expecting much anything other than having new logos, I wouldn't be surprised if they turned up with the old logos and become the last batch of new buses to Stagecoach (across the UK) to have the old logos.
The BYD E400 EV's for the 173 & 174 is the batch there is a possibility that we would see if they have a new interior for a London spec buses or they would still use the current interior with just the new logos seeing these are part of this year orders whereas the buses for the 25, 323 & 425 are all ordered some point last year.
I think the official order must have been placed, but I'm not sure if they were spec'd at exactly the same time. A considerable gap seems to have been present between the 25s batch and the 425s batch in production while if they were ordered at the same time I'm sure they'd have just been built as one huge batch instead. Further evidence I have to this theory is the fact the 25s buses turned up with mirrors and they then had to be retrofitted with cameras suggesting that the specification at order was for mirrors which should the order have been placed later the buses would likely have rolled out with camera from the get-go. The buses also turned up with 69 plates for whatever reason and had to be re-registered, very weird for a contract commencing in May. My guess is that what's happened is at the time of the bid going in Stagecoach must have been fairly confident of a win, there's a cut of almost 100K from whoever the highest bidder was, and their accepted joint bid was also almost 500K lower than their lowest bid which was the lowest overall. Obviously sourcing 35 buses is quite a task and they might have wanted assurance of an on time delivery, especially as should a loan be required they'd have needed to loan WHs which is another completely new type to them. Therefore I think what's happened is Stagecoach effectively spec'd out the 25s buses to ADL and effectively put them on hold - this quite commonly happens in other transport industries such as the airline one so I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen here in many cases. So obviously once the 25 tender was announced, the order was firmed with an order for a probably less expected 425 tagged onto it as a new order. The 25s buses also rolled out with the old logo, despite I'm sure the new branding was revealed before the order was made public, or would have at least internally so they could be spec'd accordingly. Obviously this is all just a guess We'll probably be able to tell if this is the case judging by if the 425s buses roll out with the new logo, and potentially an updated interior. Ah the day comes when I have to quote my own post I've seen a picture of 11376 and it looks identical to the 25s buses apart from the gold ad frame, so my theory went out of the window.
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Post by askaway on Jul 21, 2020 9:38:41 GMT
Do stagecoach have any enviro400 left or any voith envr400?
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Post by vjaska on Jul 21, 2020 9:47:07 GMT
Do stagecoach have any enviro400 left or any voith envr400? All diesel Stagecoach London Enviro 400's are on Voith including both MMC & regular versions
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Post by askaway on Jul 21, 2020 9:54:28 GMT
How many left?
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Post by vjaska on Jul 21, 2020 10:35:02 GMT
Not sure of the exact total but it's hundreds.
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Post by busoccultation on Jul 21, 2020 13:29:02 GMT
For the diesel ones Stagecoach still have 259 old style diesel E400's left (19711-19871 & 10101-10198).
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Post by askaway on Jul 21, 2020 13:38:32 GMT
Some stagecoach buses seem to have a strange but nice green and gold seating which differs from the old orange and blue? Why?
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Post by busoccultation on Jul 21, 2020 13:50:52 GMT
Some stagecoach buses seem to have a strange but nice green and gold seating which differs from the old orange and blue? Why? The Green and Yellow interior that Stagecoach uses on their hybrids that was new between 2010 & 2013 which the Green interior at the time was used to differentiate hybrid buses from the standard diesel buses at the time, in London those interior can be found Leyton's 12128-12153 and outside of London that interior can be found in Oxford, Manchester, Sheffield, Newcastle and Aberdeen.
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Post by TB123 on Jul 23, 2020 8:24:03 GMT
Stagecoach reported a 50% increase in operating profits for the 19/20 financial year in the London subsidary in it's results yesterday even though there was a 2.6% drop in revenue. Seems the strategy of only bidding for the most profitable work is paying off.
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 23, 2020 9:39:44 GMT
Stagecoach reported a 50% increase in operating profits for the 19/20 financial year in the London subsidary in it's results yesterday even though there was a 2.6% drop in revenue. Seems the strategy of only bidding for the most profitable work is paying off. That's an interesting strategy. If it became more widely adopted generally amongst operators it raises the prospect of some routes having no bidders at all.
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Post by portman227 on Jul 23, 2020 12:48:06 GMT
I have always wondered, since 54/75 were awarded smart hybrids consisting of 11301-11335, not sure the fleet number precisely, 75 uses almost 98% of its allocated vehicles whereas the 54 has its vehicles mainly on the 136 and the 136 vehicles on the 54. Is there a bigger picture to this or just preference? Common to see the older enviros on the route but not on the 75?
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Post by Ts_As on Jul 23, 2020 21:49:49 GMT
I have always wondered, since 54/75 were awarded smart hybrids consisting of 11301-11335, not sure the fleet number precisely, 75 uses almost 98% of its allocated vehicles whereas the 54 has its vehicles mainly on the 136 and the 136 vehicles on the 54. Is there a bigger picture to this or just preference? Common to see the older enviros on the route but not on the 75? Yeah since those routes are allocated to smart hybrids they’ll always be a different mix of diesels, smart hybrids and volvos.
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Post by portman227 on Jul 24, 2020 2:46:44 GMT
I have always wondered, since 54/75 were awarded smart hybrids consisting of 11301-11335, not sure the fleet number precisely, 75 uses almost 98% of its allocated vehicles whereas the 54 has its vehicles mainly on the 136 and the 136 vehicles on the 54. Is there a bigger picture to this or just preference? Common to see the older enviros on the route but not on the 75? Yeah since those routes are allocated to smart hybrids they’ll always be a different mix of diesels, smart hybrids and volvos. But I’m saying since 54/75 have the allocated 68/19 reg smart hybrids, only the 75 keeps 95-98% of its allocated buses running on the route whereas the 54 uses whatever is in the garage even older enviros. Not sure why that’s the case.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 24, 2020 6:58:50 GMT
There should be enough smarts for the 54/75 obviously, the 136 and part 199 from the Barking/Romford area tenders I think. Initially I thought it was said that the 75 would be the one to use the standard E400s not that 54 so whether the plans changed and the 54 now has an unofficial part allocation of standard ones in order for the 199 to have a full allocation I don't know.
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Post by Pilot on Jul 24, 2020 9:50:04 GMT
Triggers me when they don't use their allocated volvos for 47's as well, normally they have 1 volvo on all double deck routes every day and sometimes more than 1 smarts on 47.
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