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Post by borneobus on Apr 15, 2024 8:47:22 GMT
I may be wrong but I was under the impression that the problem on the 174 is the charging facility at RM rather than the buses themselves? Yep that's right, but I suspect the enhanced battery capabilities, warranties and range of new models available now like the new E400EV vs the BYD models will likely make deployment of new EVs more economical over a 7 year contact term than the existing ones for a route like the 174, especially factoring battery degradation. The 174 I believe already requires quite extensive vehicle rotations for charging purposes. I sometimes can't help but think we jumped forward a tad too quick with EVs on some individual, intensive routes. Perhaps a more tailored approach may have been better. Re your statement "The 174 I believe already requires quite extensive vehicle rotations for charging purposes."It would be interesting to understand the average number of hours an EV operates per day versus similar for Diesel/Hybrid - I'm sure the operators will have comparisons from their own records but not sure this is easily extrapolated from LVF.
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Post by WH241 on Apr 15, 2024 9:05:00 GMT
As I said recent contracts have tighter specifications for vehicle types. Nothing to do with the Central ULEZ zone. Then why does the 174 always have 11reg Enviro400s? The age gap of those vehicles is bigger than Scanias on the PD routes. Or even the 241 which has Scanias all the time. Can't imagine it's contract related as PD have historically always kept Scanias off certain routes. That’s a tad OTT the 241 has the occasional Scania just like the 330 and 474, these workings increased when the Smarts went to the 242. The point being made is in general most routes do keep to the correct type and age appropriate buses for the tenders. Odd workings of course will and do happen.
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Post by mondraker275 on Apr 15, 2024 9:43:39 GMT
I may be wrong but I was under the impression that the problem on the 174 is the charging facility at RM rather than the buses themselves? Yep that's right, but I suspect the enhanced battery capabilities, warranties and range of new models available now like the new E400EV vs the BYD models will likely make deployment of new EVs more economical over a 7 year contact term than the existing ones for a route like the 174, especially factoring battery degradation. The 174 I believe already requires quite extensive vehicle rotations for charging purposes. I sometimes can't help but think we jumped forward a tad too quick with EVs on some individual, intensive routes. Perhaps a more tailored approach may have been better. Interesting. I assume you would have the current buses cascaded for a (barely) shorter route with a (barely) lower PVR. Not sure if that will help if there are issues. If you are not having them cascaded then the savings will need to be great to justify the costs. Technology will improve every 7 years, so you dont want to be getting new buses all the time. I suspect the best strategy would be to use the buses as long as possible and understand the issues and costs a bit better than take huge cost risks. See what things are like when the surrounding issues such as infrastructure are better and see if things improve. Additionally, technology may enable battery replacement as a cost effective solution. The 360 may have been a unique circumstance with the type of bus on it and its potential usefulness elsewhere.
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 15, 2024 12:21:14 GMT
Then why does the 174 always have 11reg Enviro400s? The age gap of those vehicles is bigger than Scanias on the PD routes. Or even the 241 which has Scanias all the time. Can't imagine it's contract related as PD have historically always kept Scanias off certain routes. A prediction from me is that the 174 will join the 360 in being the second route to get new EVs to replace existing ones with the same operator I wonder if the 65 could actually be the next route to do so? RATP are likely to be the only bidder, and would free up a large number of BCEs to bid for other routes. It's also been suggested that the 65's PVR will go up slightly anyway.
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Post by southlondon413 on Apr 15, 2024 12:29:46 GMT
A prediction from me is that the 174 will join the 360 in being the second route to get new EVs to replace existing ones with the same operator I wonder if the 65 could actually be the next route to do so? RATP are likely to be the only bidder, and would free up a large number of BCEs to bid for other routes. It's also been suggested that the 65's PVR will go up slightly anyway. If that were the case then a route like the 71 or 371 would have been retained with DD EVs. Even the 406/418 if they can resolve whatever problem TV seems to have but they didn’t. I RATP will use the OME to release BCE to FW from the 295.
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Post by mark on Apr 15, 2024 15:11:58 GMT
Re your statement "The 174 I believe already requires quite extensive vehicle rotations for charging purposes."It would be interesting to understand the average number of hours an EV operates per day versus similar for Diesel/Hybrid - I'm sure the operators will have comparisons from their own records but not sure this is easily extrapolated from LVF. This information can be obtained quite easily from the bus schedules available on TfL's website - see tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/bus-schedules?Query=174
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Post by MMS2001 on Apr 15, 2024 17:31:00 GMT
13134 now back at LI after refurb 13136 now undergoing refurb.
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Post by aleed on Apr 15, 2024 17:36:12 GMT
13134 now back at LI after refurb 13136 now undergoing refurb. View AttachmentAlmost looks like a brand new electroliner! If only it had Smart Camera Mirrors, it would finish the look
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Post by MMS2001 on Apr 15, 2024 17:53:43 GMT
I went to LI for the first time today. I thought I'd take the opportunity to snoop around. There's loads of Electroliners for 86 and Volvo BZLs for the 276 parked up. There's also 3 or 4 Electroliners for the 242. Not sure if it has been mentioned here but these seem to be the highest spec buses Stagecoach have so far in London. They also have a full LED destination blind at the rear.
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Post by atb123 on Apr 15, 2024 18:18:12 GMT
11374 On the 616
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Post by aleed on Apr 15, 2024 20:04:26 GMT
I went to LI for the first time today. I thought I'd take the opportunity to snoop around. There's loads of Electroliners for 86 and Volvo BZLs for the 276 parked up. There's also 3 or 4 Electroliners for the 242. Not sure if it has been mentioned here but these seem to be the highest spec buses Stagecoach have so far in London. They also have a full LED destination blind at the rear. View AttachmentWould look so much more 'Stagecoach' if that even makes sense if there was the logo at the back as well. Almost all their buses have it and if they managed to do it on an Evoseti, I'm sure they could've managed on the Electroliners too. Edit: It looks really good as high spec, but that back screen looks really small compared to the ones with TUK. It honestly looks like they just stole it off a side blind panel and put it at the back as well.
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Post by idk123 on Apr 15, 2024 20:06:37 GMT
I went to LI for the first time today. I thought I'd take the opportunity to snoop around. There's loads of Electroliners for 86 and Volvo BZLs for the 276 parked up. There's also 3 or 4 Electroliners for the 242. Not sure if it has been mentioned here but these seem to be the highest spec buses Stagecoach have so far in London. They also have a full LED destination blind at the rear. View AttachmentIdk if you got to go in them but is the interior any different than the other electroliners by any chance except that these ones have a sky light
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Post by MMS2001 on Apr 15, 2024 21:15:57 GMT
I went to LI for the first time today. I thought I'd take the opportunity to snoop around. There's loads of Electroliners for 86 and Volvo BZLs for the 276 parked up. There's also 3 or 4 Electroliners for the 242. Not sure if it has been mentioned here but these seem to be the highest spec buses Stagecoach have so far in London. They also have a full LED destination blind at the rear. View AttachmentIdk if you got to go in them but is the interior any different than the other electroliners by any chance except that these ones have a sky light https://www.instagram.com/p/C5y-r11NRIo
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Post by COBO on Apr 16, 2024 13:32:49 GMT
Was a 10.5m e200 MMC ever allocated to the p4?
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Post by vjaska on Apr 16, 2024 15:53:59 GMT
Was a 10.5m e200 MMC ever allocated to the p4? Nope, there was a 10.9m one allocated which was 36665 and was spare at the time. It ran on the P4 for a while before being used as a trainer briefly (replaced on the P4 by an older Enviro 200), was then disposed of but brought back to replace a written off MMC that was damaged by fire at RM for the 165
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