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Post by mkay315 on Apr 20, 2024 7:43:34 GMT
37579-37583 all out of use. 2 E400s and 2 E400 MMCs on route 165 although E200 MMC is being used on the 256 strangely! 346 is using 499/165 buses all but 1. Pure speculation here but with the 86 seeing more electroliers introduced and all of the 346 have been gradually coming off route over the last week, could it be possible the 165 is double decked using buses from the 86 with the 165 buses going to route 346 which has proven it can take an almost full allocation of 10.9m MMCs. Also worth noting that 19804-19808 all have not seen service today and like the 346 batch have gradually come out of service from NS routes this week. Converting the 165 to DD seems to be a rather contentious idea on here but I don't think it is required. Some buses do become full during morning and afternoon peaks but I'm not sure this warrants it to convert it to DD. If anything a route restructuring would probably be more appropriate. The route doesn't go anywhere unique and always follows other routes. Personally I find it inefficient to have 2/3 routes all running together all the way from Hornchurch/Abbs Cross Lane and Rainham/Cherry Tree Lane. 19805 is being converted to open top for City Sightseeing with 19804 also being earmarked. Apparently there will only be extra 2 buses this summer as that is what has been agreed amongst the Stagecoach / City Sightseeing / Groupo Julia trio. Im not sure there are plans to increase the amount of new buses above 2 but at this rate, the main RED route will be running on a reduced frequency in comparison to last summer (every 7.5m instead of 6m). Even last summer on a 6m frequency was seeing buses being fully filled up so I'm sure it would be in the best interests of Stagecoach to source as many buses as possible. If plans change then I'm sure they would use buses coming off of the 86 then use the remainder of buses to remove the remainder of the scannias. To be fair up until 2001 the 165 and 365 was literally side by side between Romford and South Hornchurch before the 165 continued onto Abbey Wood Lane and the 365 going to Orchard Village (I always remembered that area as Mardxke Estate) (The X is meant to be a Y but it would get censored) but then in 2001 they decided to demote it to single decker and divert it via Gidea Park the Drill to then go to Hornchurch Town centre to then come back into Abbs Cross, they probably thought the 248 and 365 could cope.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 20, 2024 9:53:59 GMT
37579-37583 all out of use. 2 E400s and 2 E400 MMCs on route 165 although E200 MMC is being used on the 256 strangely! 346 is using 499/165 buses all but 1. Pure speculation here but with the 86 seeing more electroliers introduced and all of the 346 have been gradually coming off route over the last week, could it be possible the 165 is double decked using buses from the 86 with the 165 buses going to route 346 which has proven it can take an almost full allocation of 10.9m MMCs. Also worth noting that 19804-19808 all have not seen service today and like the 346 batch have gradually come out of service from NS routes this week. Converting the 165 to DD seems to be a rather contentious idea on here but I don't think it is required. Some buses do become full during morning and afternoon peaks but I'm not sure this warrants it to convert it to DD. If anything a route restructuring would probably be more appropriate. The route doesn't go anywhere unique and always follows other routes. Personally I find it inefficient to have 2/3 routes all running together all the way from Hornchurch/Abbs Cross Lane and Rainham/Cherry Tree Lane. 19805 is being converted to open top for City Sightseeing with 19804 also being earmarked. Apparently there will only be extra 2 buses this summer as that is what has been agreed amongst the Stagecoach / City Sightseeing / Groupo Julia trio. Im not sure there are plans to increase the amount of new buses above 2 but at this rate, the main RED route will be running on a reduced frequency in comparison to last summer (every 7.5m instead of 6m). Even last summer on a 6m frequency was seeing buses being fully filled up so I'm sure it would be in the best interests of Stagecoach to source as many buses as possible. If plans change then I'm sure they would use buses coming off of the 86 then use the remainder of buses to remove the remainder of the scannias. I don't think the 165 really needs converting to DDs. At the same time, I don't think it needs a restructure either- there always seems to be people on it whenever I see it so it must serve some sort of function.
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 20, 2024 11:25:32 GMT
Converting the 165 to DD seems to be a rather contentious idea on here but I don't think it is required. Some buses do become full during morning and afternoon peaks but I'm not sure this warrants it to convert it to DD. If anything a route restructuring would probably be more appropriate. The route doesn't go anywhere unique and always follows other routes. Personally I find it inefficient to have 2/3 routes all running together all the way from Hornchurch/Abbs Cross Lane and Rainham/Cherry Tree Lane. 19805 is being converted to open top for City Sightseeing with 19804 also being earmarked. Apparently there will only be extra 2 buses this summer as that is what has been agreed amongst the Stagecoach / City Sightseeing / Groupo Julia trio. Im not sure there are plans to increase the amount of new buses above 2 but at this rate, the main RED route will be running on a reduced frequency in comparison to last summer (every 7.5m instead of 6m). Even last summer on a 6m frequency was seeing buses being fully filled up so I'm sure it would be in the best interests of Stagecoach to source as many buses as possible. If plans change then I'm sure they would use buses coming off of the 86 then use the remainder of buses to remove the remainder of the scannias. To be fair up until 2001 the 165 and 365 was literally side by side between Romford and South Hornchurch before the 165 continued onto Abbey Wood Lane and the 365 going to Orchard Village (I always remembered that area as Mardxke Estate) (The X is meant to be a Y but it would get censored) but then in 2001 they decided to demote it to single decker and divert it via Gidea Park the Drill to then go to Hornchurch Town centre to then come back into Abbs Cross, they probably thought the 248 and 365 could cope. Mard**e Estate was originally served by diverting a few 165 journeys into the Estate. These were renumbered 365 in September 1988 when Ensignbus took over the route. The 365 took over the Havering Park section from September 1991 and thereafter became the dominant route. The 165 was rerouted via Hornchurch and Emerson Park in 2001, this gave useful new local links into Hornchurch Town Centre from the south.
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Post by MMS2001 on Apr 20, 2024 12:19:24 GMT
Converting the 165 to DD seems to be a rather contentious idea on here but I don't think it is required. Some buses do become full during morning and afternoon peaks but I'm not sure this warrants it to convert it to DD. If anything a route restructuring would probably be more appropriate. The route doesn't go anywhere unique and always follows other routes. Personally I find it inefficient to have 2/3 routes all running together all the way from Hornchurch/Abbs Cross Lane and Rainham/Cherry Tree Lane. 19805 is being converted to open top for City Sightseeing with 19804 also being earmarked. Apparently there will only be extra 2 buses this summer as that is what has been agreed amongst the Stagecoach / City Sightseeing / Groupo Julia trio. Im not sure there are plans to increase the amount of new buses above 2 but at this rate, the main RED route will be running on a reduced frequency in comparison to last summer (every 7.5m instead of 6m). Even last summer on a 6m frequency was seeing buses being fully filled up so I'm sure it would be in the best interests of Stagecoach to source as many buses as possible. If plans change then I'm sure they would use buses coming off of the 86 then use the remainder of buses to remove the remainder of the scannias. I don't think the 165 really needs converting to DDs. At the same time, I don't think it needs a restructure either- there always seems to be people on it whenever I see it so it must serve some sort of function. A review of bus services in Dagenham / South Hornchurch was carried out in 2019 mainly to evaluate options for when the Beam Park project was completed. One of the ideas was to swap the 165 / 365 southern termini (165 would run to Orchard Village - Beam Park New Road stand and 365 would run to Rainham Abbey Wood Lane) I still believe this would be a perfect option as it would provide a DD capacity and Night Service to Rainham instead of a small estate and residential area. There was also a suggestion to run the current southbound routing in both directions instead of it's current split routing, however there are narrow roads with limited passing places and blind junctions where buses require the full width of the road to turn into and out of. tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/review-of-bus-services-in-london-riverside-east.pdf
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Post by yunus on Apr 21, 2024 22:50:39 GMT
Went past NS today and there seems to be electrification works outside the garage unless the equipment is for something else?
At this rate I cannot see a 100% runout on the 86 until next year.
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Post by COBO on Apr 21, 2024 23:29:36 GMT
Went past NS today and there seems to be electrification works outside the garage unless the equipment is for something else? At this rate I cannot see a 100% runout on the 86 until next year. If you don't know what it is then how would you know if it's for elecrification works?
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Post by WH241 on Apr 22, 2024 8:36:17 GMT
Went past NS today and there seems to be electrification works outside the garage unless the equipment is for something else? At this rate I cannot see a 100% runout on the 86 until next year. Next year? Doubt that very much. It’s only April so still have over half of 2024 to go! Please be patient it will happen when it happens.
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Post by TNA33379 on Apr 22, 2024 15:48:13 GMT
Went past NS today and there seems to be electrification works outside the garage unless the equipment is for something else? At this rate I cannot see a 100% runout on the 86 until next year. The works are for a canteen refurbishment
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Post by borneobus on Apr 23, 2024 8:55:11 GMT
Went past NS today and there seems to be electrification works outside the garage unless the equipment is for something else? At this rate I cannot see a 100% runout on the 86 until next year. The works are for a canteen refurbishment Currently no Electroliners out on the 86.... SLN 82019 LV73FFE 86 last seen at 18:44 16-04-2024 SLN 82021 LV73FFH 86 last seen at 16:01 13-03-2024 SLN 82022 LV73FFJ 86 last seen at 21:35 19-04-2024 SLN 82023 LV73FFK 86 last seen at 11:05 03-04-2024 SLN 82025 LV73FFM 86 last seen at 21:36 19-04-2024 SLN 82026 LV73FFN 86 last seen at 18:52 17-04-2024 SLN 82027 LV73FFO 86 last seen at 22:08 18-04-2024 SLN 82028 LV73FFP 86 last seen at 19:20 19-04-2024 SLN 82031 LV73FFT 86 last seen at 12:40 06-04-2024 SLN 82033 LV73FFW 86 last seen at 21:53 18-04-2024 SLN 82042 LV73FGG 86 last seen at 20:06 16-04-2024 SLN 82045 LV73FGM 86 last seen at 18:29 22-04-2024 SLN 82047 LV73FGO 86 last seen at 20:07 16-03-2024 SLN 82048 LV73FGP 86 last seen at 19:24 26-03-2024
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Post by aleed on Apr 24, 2024 20:54:13 GMT
The works are for a canteen refurbishment Currently no Electroliners out on the 86.... SLN 82019 LV73FFE 86 last seen at 18:44 16-04-2024 SLN 82021 LV73FFH 86 last seen at 16:01 13-03-2024 SLN 82022 LV73FFJ 86 last seen at 21:35 19-04-2024 SLN 82023 LV73FFK 86 last seen at 11:05 03-04-2024 SLN 82025 LV73FFM 86 last seen at 21:36 19-04-2024 SLN 82026 LV73FFN 86 last seen at 18:52 17-04-2024 SLN 82027 LV73FFO 86 last seen at 22:08 18-04-2024 SLN 82028 LV73FFP 86 last seen at 19:20 19-04-2024 SLN 82031 LV73FFT 86 last seen at 12:40 06-04-2024 SLN 82033 LV73FFW 86 last seen at 21:53 18-04-2024 SLN 82042 LV73FGG 86 last seen at 20:06 16-04-2024 SLN 82045 LV73FGM 86 last seen at 18:29 22-04-2024 SLN 82047 LV73FGO 86 last seen at 20:07 16-03-2024 SLN 82048 LV73FGP 86 last seen at 19:24 26-03-2024 NS and LI have put out 82022 and 82045 on the 86 today. It also makes me wonder whether NS is actually wired up because I've never been there, but what if the buses start from Romford, terminate at Stratford then go to LI for recharging if necessary, as they should surely have the chargers for their batch of the Electroliners! Maybe there is nowhere for the E400s to get yet, so that will potentially be planned first and then they will bring out the Electroliners completely. All speculation, the best thing about this forum!
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Post by borneobus on Apr 25, 2024 0:13:24 GMT
Currently no Electroliners out on the 86.... SLN 82019 LV73FFE 86 last seen at 18:44 16-04-2024 SLN 82021 LV73FFH 86 last seen at 16:01 13-03-2024 SLN 82022 LV73FFJ 86 last seen at 21:35 19-04-2024 SLN 82023 LV73FFK 86 last seen at 11:05 03-04-2024 SLN 82025 LV73FFM 86 last seen at 21:36 19-04-2024 SLN 82026 LV73FFN 86 last seen at 18:52 17-04-2024 SLN 82027 LV73FFO 86 last seen at 22:08 18-04-2024 SLN 82028 LV73FFP 86 last seen at 19:20 19-04-2024 SLN 82031 LV73FFT 86 last seen at 12:40 06-04-2024 SLN 82033 LV73FFW 86 last seen at 21:53 18-04-2024 SLN 82042 LV73FGG 86 last seen at 20:06 16-04-2024 SLN 82045 LV73FGM 86 last seen at 18:29 22-04-2024 SLN 82047 LV73FGO 86 last seen at 20:07 16-03-2024 SLN 82048 LV73FGP 86 last seen at 19:24 26-03-2024 NS and LI have put out 82022 and 82045 on the 86 today. It also makes me wonder whether NS is actually wired up because I've never been there, but what if the buses start from Romford, terminate at Stratford then go to LI for recharging if necessary, as they should surely have the chargers for their batch of the Electroliners! Maybe there is nowhere for the E400s to get yet, so that will potentially be planned first and then they will bring out the Electroliners completely. All speculation, the best thing about this forum! A little unfashionable in this internet age but I prefer facts to speculation.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 25, 2024 0:16:43 GMT
Currently no Electroliners out on the 86.... SLN 82019 LV73FFE 86 last seen at 18:44 16-04-2024 SLN 82021 LV73FFH 86 last seen at 16:01 13-03-2024 SLN 82022 LV73FFJ 86 last seen at 21:35 19-04-2024 SLN 82023 LV73FFK 86 last seen at 11:05 03-04-2024 SLN 82025 LV73FFM 86 last seen at 21:36 19-04-2024 SLN 82026 LV73FFN 86 last seen at 18:52 17-04-2024 SLN 82027 LV73FFO 86 last seen at 22:08 18-04-2024 SLN 82028 LV73FFP 86 last seen at 19:20 19-04-2024 SLN 82031 LV73FFT 86 last seen at 12:40 06-04-2024 SLN 82033 LV73FFW 86 last seen at 21:53 18-04-2024 SLN 82042 LV73FGG 86 last seen at 20:06 16-04-2024 SLN 82045 LV73FGM 86 last seen at 18:29 22-04-2024 SLN 82047 LV73FGO 86 last seen at 20:07 16-03-2024 SLN 82048 LV73FGP 86 last seen at 19:24 26-03-2024 NS and LI have put out 82022 and 82045 on the 86 today. It also makes me wonder whether NS is actually wired up because I've never been there, but what if the buses start from Romford, terminate at Stratford then go to LI for recharging if necessary, as they should surely have the chargers for their batch of the Electroliners! Maybe there is nowhere for the E400s to get yet, so that will potentially be planned first and then they will bring out the Electroliners completely. All speculation, the best thing about this forum! Why would they do that?
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Post by TNA33379 on Apr 25, 2024 7:37:09 GMT
Currently no Electroliners out on the 86.... SLN 82019 LV73FFE 86 last seen at 18:44 16-04-2024 SLN 82021 LV73FFH 86 last seen at 16:01 13-03-2024 SLN 82022 LV73FFJ 86 last seen at 21:35 19-04-2024 SLN 82023 LV73FFK 86 last seen at 11:05 03-04-2024 SLN 82025 LV73FFM 86 last seen at 21:36 19-04-2024 SLN 82026 LV73FFN 86 last seen at 18:52 17-04-2024 SLN 82027 LV73FFO 86 last seen at 22:08 18-04-2024 SLN 82028 LV73FFP 86 last seen at 19:20 19-04-2024 SLN 82031 LV73FFT 86 last seen at 12:40 06-04-2024 SLN 82033 LV73FFW 86 last seen at 21:53 18-04-2024 SLN 82042 LV73FGG 86 last seen at 20:06 16-04-2024 SLN 82045 LV73FGM 86 last seen at 18:29 22-04-2024 SLN 82047 LV73FGO 86 last seen at 20:07 16-03-2024 SLN 82048 LV73FGP 86 last seen at 19:24 26-03-2024 NS and LI have put out 82022 and 82045 on the 86 today. It also makes me wonder whether NS is actually wired up because I've never been there, but what if the buses start from Romford, terminate at Stratford then go to LI for recharging if necessary, as they should surely have the chargers for their batch of the Electroliners! Maybe there is nowhere for the E400s to get yet, so that will potentially be planned first and then they will bring out the Electroliners completely. All speculation, the best thing about this forum! NS isn’t wired up yet with all the leccys currently be charged by a powerbank. All breaks have been worked out that all buses are charged at NS during the day. In the evening only 8 will be at LI with the rest at NS overnight.
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Post by yunus on Apr 25, 2024 9:23:18 GMT
NS and LI have put out 82022 and 82045 on the 86 today. It also makes me wonder whether NS is actually wired up because I've never been there, but what if the buses start from Romford, terminate at Stratford then go to LI for recharging if necessary, as they should surely have the chargers for their batch of the Electroliners! Maybe there is nowhere for the E400s to get yet, so that will potentially be planned first and then they will bring out the Electroliners completely. All speculation, the best thing about this forum! NS isn’t wired up yet with all the leccys currently be charged by a powerbank. All breaks have been worked out that all buses are charged at NS during the day. In the evening only 8 will be at LI with the rest at NS overnight. Not wired up yet? Wow! Taking their time for sure.
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Post by S.152 on Apr 25, 2024 16:45:57 GMT
36339 has been converted into a trainer, last in service 18/04
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