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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 13, 2024 9:53:04 GMT
I don’t think anyone has said this yet but 310 will be using 9.3 and 9.6m E200s off the 309 I assume. Route will be based out of HK garage I've got a feeling the 310 will be using E200s from the 165, rather than the shorter single decks. The 309 will contine to use E200s from the W11, and the W19 will use some LX11 E200s to release the shorter ones for the W12. I'm not sure if/where any additional single decks for the W9 are coming from, unless there's any left from the 339. |
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Post by adl on Aug 13, 2024 9:53:11 GMT
I’m not convinced that between HK/AW that they have enough spares for route W9, 310 and the increase in the W routes. About 20 single deckers and the W9 isn’t even operating at full timetable yet. I also can’t see the 310 using 9.3m / 9.6m buses the route would get swamped and I can’t think of any restrictions. Only restriction on 310 is that it will have to be single deckers due to it going under the low bridge at Finsbury Park Station I meant for a longer single decker, am aware of the low bridge preventing it from using double deckers. I should’ve been clearer apologies. |
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Post by adl on Aug 13, 2024 9:56:24 GMT
I don’t think anyone has said this yet but 310 will be using 9.3 and 9.6m E200s off the 309 I assume. Route will be based out of HK garage I've got a feeling the 310 will be using E200s from the 165, rather than the shorter single decks. The 309 will contine to use E200s from the W11, and the W19 will use some LX11 E200s to release the shorter ones for the W12. I'm not sure if/where any additional single decks for the W9 are coming from, unless there's any left from the 339. Yeah, I get that feeling as well, 37534 & 37535 have been off road for a few days I do wonder if these could be on route to HK, the 165 sees around 4 double decks per day almost daily I can easily see more spare LX11s transferring into RM, The 165 is up for tender soon as well so makes sense to take from the 165 whereas I believe the D6 is mid contract. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 13, 2024 10:02:13 GMT
I've got a feeling the 310 will be using E200s from the 165, rather than the shorter single decks. The 309 will contine to use E200s from the W11, and the W19 will use some LX11 E200s to release the shorter ones for the W12. I'm not sure if/where any additional single decks for the W9 are coming from, unless there's any left from the 339. Yeah, I get that feeling as well, 37534 & 37535 have been off road for a few days I do wonder if these could be on route to HK, the 165 sees around 4 double decks per day almost daily I can easily see more spare LX11s transferring into RM, The 165 is up for tender soon as well so makes sense to take from the 165 whereas I believe the D6 is mid contract. The D6 is on its 2 year extension and up for tender soon and renewed in September 2025. |
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Post by joefrombow on Aug 13, 2024 10:56:21 GMT
I thought someone mentioned that the buses would be coming off an actual contract. The 9.3m and 9.6m E200 Darts have already been mentioned to be used for the W routes after the changes as they will need to help with the PVR top ups on the W12, and the W13 may receive some older darts from the W14. Additionally I don't see the route going in any tight areas, so 10.9 or 10.2 metre buses might work better for the route considering the route will be on trial for a year. I personally think it should get the MMCs from the D6, simply because the vehicles are already there, drivers are perfectly familiar with them and they can get the opportunity to double deck the D6 with some ex E400s from the 86! Or they may do a similar approach with the 165 as mentioned earlier I think. Pretty much what I said. If it's running out of HK no doubt everything and anything will run on it , What's happened to all the Solos are they now all scrapped or sold to Ensign or shipped elsewhere in the fleet ? Was in Hastings other week and see they have 04 reg solos knocking about , shame if none were saved especially being the only dual door examples . |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 13, 2024 11:25:12 GMT
If it's running out of HK no doubt everything and anything will run on it , What's happened to all the Solos are they now all scrapped or sold to Ensign or shipped elsewhere in the fleet ? Was in Hastings other week and see they have 04 reg solos knocking about , shame if none were saved especially being the only dual door examples . I think the best way to describe the Solos on the 309 is "knackered." |
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 13, 2024 11:29:02 GMT
If it's running out of HK no doubt everything and anything will run on it , What's happened to all the Solos are they now all scrapped or sold to Ensign or shipped elsewhere in the fleet ? Was in Hastings other week and see they have 04 reg solos knocking about , shame if none were saved especially being the only dual door examples . Bought by Sullivan Buses and painted white for new National Express contract?   |
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 13, 2024 11:49:17 GMT
I don’t think anyone has said this yet but 310 will be using 9.3 and 9.6m E200s off the 309 I assume. Route will be based out of HK garage I thought someone mentioned that the buses would be coming off an actual contract. The 9.3m and 9.6m E200 Darts have already been mentioned to be used for the W routes after the changes as they will need to help with the PVR top ups on the W12, and the W13 may receive some older darts from the W14. Additionally I don't see the route going in any tight areas, so 10.9 or 10.2 metre buses might work better for the route considering the route will be on trial for a year. I personally think it should get the MMCs from the D6, simply because the vehicles are already there, drivers are perfectly familiar with them and they can get the opportunity to double deck the D6 with some ex E400s from the 86! Or they may do a similar approach with the 165 as mentioned earlier I think. It definitely seems likely a DD conversion will be needed overall to release enough SDs where needed - could be the 165 or D6 as suggested, or the 296 could also be an option (which has the same PVR as the 310). Unless maybe if one of the following happens: - BZLs for the 314 start to arrive quickly and can be put in service at another garage like LI - TFL release the W9's tender result, with the new operator taking over very soon - The revised W13 uses DDs until new electrics enter service (assuming they can fit along the Leyton extension) - Some LX59/LX11 E200s that Stagecoach had withdrawn are brought back into service |
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Post by ! ALEED on Aug 13, 2024 11:56:09 GMT
I thought someone mentioned that the buses would be coming off an actual contract. The 9.3m and 9.6m E200 Darts have already been mentioned to be used for the W routes after the changes as they will need to help with the PVR top ups on the W12, and the W13 may receive some older darts from the W14. Additionally I don't see the route going in any tight areas, so 10.9 or 10.2 metre buses might work better for the route considering the route will be on trial for a year. I personally think it should get the MMCs from the D6, simply because the vehicles are already there, drivers are perfectly familiar with them and they can get the opportunity to double deck the D6 with some ex E400s from the 86! Or they may do a similar approach with the 165 as mentioned earlier I think. It definitely seems likely a DD conversion will be needed overall to release enough SDs where needed - could be the 165 or D6 as suggested, or the 296 could also be an option (which has the same PVR as the 310). Unless maybe if one of the following happens: - BZLs for the 314 start to arrive quickly and can be put in service at another garage like LI - TFL release the W9's tender result, with the new operator taking over very soon - The revised W13 uses DDs until new electrics enter service (assuming they can fit along the Leyton extension) - Some LX59/LX11 E200s that Stagecoach had withdrawn are brought back into service The 296 has a PVR of 6 vehicles though, and the 310 will require 9-10 vehicles possibly for the PVR of 8? |
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Post by DE20106 on Aug 13, 2024 11:57:30 GMT
It definitely seems likely a DD conversion will be needed overall to release enough SDs where needed - could be the 165 or D6 as suggested, or the 296 could also be an option (which has the same PVR as the 310). Unless maybe if one of the following happens: - BZLs for the 314 start to arrive quickly and can be put in service at another garage like LI - TFL release the W9's tender result, with the new operator taking over very soon - The revised W13 uses DDs until new electrics enter service (assuming they can fit along the Leyton extension) - Some LX59/LX11 E200s that Stagecoach had withdrawn are brought back into service The 296 has a PVR of 6 vehicles though, and the 310 will require 9-10 vehicles possibly for the PVR of 8? 296 has PVR 8  |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 13, 2024 12:06:11 GMT
I thought someone mentioned that the buses would be coming off an actual contract. The 9.3m and 9.6m E200 Darts have already been mentioned to be used for the W routes after the changes as they will need to help with the PVR top ups on the W12, and the W13 may receive some older darts from the W14. Additionally I don't see the route going in any tight areas, so 10.9 or 10.2 metre buses might work better for the route considering the route will be on trial for a year. I personally think it should get the MMCs from the D6, simply because the vehicles are already there, drivers are perfectly familiar with them and they can get the opportunity to double deck the D6 with some ex E400s from the 86! Or they may do a similar approach with the 165 as mentioned earlier I think. It definitely seems likely a DD conversion will be needed overall to release enough SDs where needed - could be the 165 or D6 as suggested, or the 296 could also be an option (which has the same PVR as the 310). Unless maybe if one of the following happens: - BZLs for the 314 start to arrive quickly and can be put in service at another garage like LI - TFL release the W9's tender result, with the new operator taking over very soon - The revised W13 uses DDs until new electrics enter service (assuming they can fit along the Leyton extension) - Some LX59/LX11 E200s that Stagecoach had withdrawn are brought back into service I think it's a lot simpler than that - E200s from the 165 to the 310 - E200s from W19 to W12 - LX11 E200s to W19 |
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Post by ! ALEED on Aug 13, 2024 12:23:46 GMT
The 296 has a PVR of 6 vehicles though, and the 310 will require 9-10 vehicles possibly for the PVR of 8? 296 has PVR 8 Oh! I thought it was 6 vehicles. In that case, 13 reg buses seem to be alright for this contract too! |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 13, 2024 12:25:04 GMT
296 has PVR 8 Oh! I thought it was 6 vehicles. In that case, 13 reg buses seem to be alright for this contract too! I think you've got that from the number of 13regs allocated to the 296, it has 6 13regs and 3 11regs. |
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Post by ! ALEED on Aug 13, 2024 12:28:56 GMT
I thought someone mentioned that the buses would be coming off an actual contract. The 9.3m and 9.6m E200 Darts have already been mentioned to be used for the W routes after the changes as they will need to help with the PVR top ups on the W12, and the W13 may receive some older darts from the W14. Additionally I don't see the route going in any tight areas, so 10.9 or 10.2 metre buses might work better for the route considering the route will be on trial for a year. I personally think it should get the MMCs from the D6, simply because the vehicles are already there, drivers are perfectly familiar with them and they can get the opportunity to double deck the D6 with some ex E400s from the 86! Or they may do a similar approach with the 165 as mentioned earlier I think. It definitely seems likely a DD conversion will be needed overall to release enough SDs where needed - could be the 165 or D6 as suggested, or the 296 could also be an option (which has the same PVR as the 310). Unless maybe if one of the following happens: - BZLs for the 314 start to arrive quickly and can be put in service at another garage like LI - TFL release the W9's tender result, with the new operator taking over very soon - The revised W13 uses DDs until new electrics enter service (assuming they can fit along the Leyton extension) - Some LX59/LX11 E200s that Stagecoach had withdrawn are brought back into service BZLs for the 314 will not begin arriving until 2025. TfL will release the W9 tender on the original date, Stagecoach are only continuing until the contract actually ends, though I do not seem them retaining. W13 has already been confirmed to use one electric BZL DD, so it will be acceptable for the extension but the MMCs will later go the 225. I don't think they will need to get any withdrawn E200s back in service, especially the LX59's. > When the W routes change, I assume that the W13 will receive 4-5 vehicles from the W14, being the older ones as the YX65s will go to the 225 but can be used temporarily. > W12 is going to get buses from either the 339 or the W19 with the W19 converting to a full E200 and E200 MMC operation in the future. |
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Post by ! ALEED on Aug 13, 2024 12:30:13 GMT
Though I do wonder, will the W12 continue using the Optare Solos that are originally on the route? Or could they potentially get the W5 examples as they are 8.9m long, and some 9.6m Darts?
Or just Darts altogether?
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