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Post by WH241 on Sept 6, 2024 22:23:45 GMT
People say we shouldn’t tar them with the same brush yet over the last few months the behaviour has got worse! The biggest issue is they are not taking into account the fact the buses are in normal service and are causing problems for the wider community.
Until the behaviour changes I will tar them as they are frankly an embarrassment and have never seen older enthusiasts perform like this on a bus in regular service.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 6, 2024 22:27:35 GMT
People say we shouldn’t tar them with the same brush yet over the last few months the behaviour has got worse! The biggest issue is they are not taking into account the fact the buses are in normal service and are causing problems for the wider community. Until the behaviour changes I will tar them as they are frankly an embarrassment and have never seen older enthusiasts perform like this on a bus in regular service. Can you not make references to my posts - this is the 2nd time in the last couple of weeks you’ve done it. What part of pretend I & my posts don’t exist do you not understand?
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 6, 2024 22:30:15 GMT
There are some videos online of some rather shocking behaviour of enthusiasts on the 549 this evening! These youngsters need to understand they are using a bus that’s in service and not a party bus for their personal enjoyment. I dead to think what tomorrow will be like! Saw one of them doing pushups in the wheelchair area, I was so confused! I also heard someone got PUNCHED randomly by an enthusiast. I don't even want to think how the routes will operate tomorrow, especially the W12 and W13. What I'm more concerned about is how the W12 will operate with the new E100 EVs, with enthusiasts potentially taking up the entire bus, but it won't last like that for long when it does happen ! Never thought I'd see those crossing over into the bus enthusiast community! I was with a couple of them on my 549 and they were a bit loud but nothing too crazy. They did get a little crazy when they saw a 59 plate E200 on the 167 and a random Streetshite in Buckhurst Hill
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 6, 2024 22:32:55 GMT
Today marks the end of the last 549 route with the last bus arriving at South Woodford at 7:30. The route will be completely absorbed by the revised W14 from tomorrow (basically gets a frequency increase, Sunday + evening service and an extension to Wanstead and Whipps X). The only remaining 5xx route is the 533 which is a long term temporary route for the closure of Hammersmith Bridge. I was thinking about this when I was on the 549 and I overhead what some passengers were saying.. Wouldn't it have been better if they didn't touch the W12/W13/W14 and just extended the 549 instead and maybe bump up the PVR to 2bph as a trial and see where that goes?
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 6, 2024 22:38:07 GMT
Ever since the Superloop was launched I have noticed far too many of those types of enthusiasts who are out filming vlog style videos simply to copy their idol Geoff Marshall and to compete with their YouTube friends for views and subs. When I did the first day of the 301 and 335 five years ago, I've simply just hopped on the train to cross the Thames and did a round trip on both of those routes, all is well and I've had a full peace to myself for the entire time, which is now very difficult to do on first days etc... Just forget doing any route on the first day now because peace will not exist. The 335 was definitely the last peaceful route introduction. The future is war for the front seat and like you said Geoff Marshall style videos… I think it depends on the route... I done the 310 last week and that was pretty good
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 6, 2024 22:46:53 GMT
There are some videos online of some rather shocking behaviour of enthusiasts on the 549 this evening! These youngsters need to understand they are using a bus that’s in service and not a party bus for their personal enjoyment. I dead to think what tomorrow will be like! I have not been to one of these last day or first day services in years. Although I do seem to be glad in some way that there is still interest amongst enthusiasts as it was a dying interest a few years ago and it appears the advent of YouTube and other social media has turned things around. The thing for me that I lost interest in last days is the lack of special buses compared to years ago.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 6, 2024 22:57:26 GMT
That was not that bad. Some nightbus journeys from central London would make that look like a nun's convention. Or some school journeys where regular passengers would run off the bus.
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 6, 2024 23:36:05 GMT
Biggest load the 549’s probably ever had! I hope no vulnerable people got left behind and stranded because they couldn’t get on the last bus …
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Post by va59 on Sept 6, 2024 23:49:46 GMT
Today is the last day of route W14 in its current form as tomorrow it will be used as the new number for route 549. The W14 was introduced in 1989 as the new number itself of the 206, running from Leytonstone to the old Claybury Hospital. 1996 saw it cut back to its present northern terminus of Woodford Bridge, and it was extended at the southern end to Leyton in 2000, and to Leyton Mills in 2005. Originally operated by Eastern National, the route passed to County Bus from a base in Debden, which later became part of the Arriva group. Arriva operated the route until 2012 when it passed to First at Lea Interchange. The final W14 bus this evening will depart Leyton at 0020. It will be running number LI 107, worked by 37571 YY64YKO. I remember it well when it started in March 1989. It was the final phase of the Walthamstow area changes that started in 1988 which saw a major revamp of services. It was more frequent, warmer buses and reliable than the 206 when it started. I lived in Woodford Bridge when I was a kid and remember when the 206 and 275 were LT Leyland Nationals and Titans dual door respectively. When it all changed from privatisation, the retainer Nationals but in a completely different guise in respect of single door for both the 206 and and 275 (leyland nationals and Bristol DD) whicy lasted for a few years until the 206 was absorbed into the 'W' era with Mercedes bread vans. It's bizarre which I have mentioned in previous posts that the W12 now almost replicates the old 206, the only real difference is that that old 206 went as far as Chigwell Station. In the next few hours, it's going to be interesting how these changes work out.
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Post by DW221 on Sept 7, 2024 0:13:08 GMT
There are some videos online of some rather shocking behaviour of enthusiasts on the 549 this evening! These youngsters need to understand they are using a bus that’s in service and not a party bus for their personal enjoyment. I dead to think what tomorrow will be like! Glad I didn’t need to do the last bus, since I already got the much better 36037 / DAS1 on it in August haha It is weird to think 36261, a bus that I’ve rode numerous times on the 296 over the years since its always been at NS till now, randomly was the last 549 lol
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Post by elcesteem16 on Sept 7, 2024 0:59:18 GMT
People say we shouldn’t tar them with the same brush yet over the last few months the behaviour has got worse! The biggest issue is they are not taking into account the fact the buses are in normal service and are causing problems for the wider community. Until the behaviour changes I will tar them as they are frankly an embarrassment and have never seen older enthusiasts perform like this on a bus in regular service. Can you not make references to my posts - this is the 2nd time in the last couple of weeks you’ve done it. What part of pretend I & my posts don’t exist do you not understand? I think it might be best to ignore the replies than to retaliate to them. I don’t really see any fault of what he replied, but that’s my own opinion. Just simply get on with your day and ignore them like anyone else in the same position.
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Post by elcesteem16 on Sept 7, 2024 1:26:42 GMT
In terms of that video though, I do think in the last 5 years or so this enthusiast behaviour thing has gotten worse. I mean depot days in particular have been wild as hell. Obvs I won’t deny that me and some friends had been cheeky back in the 2016-2018 run of events (sneaking on to chill on the commercial LDP at SW) but we never really made any fuss or threw a tantrum! Held our hands up and didn’t try again when caught. PB was always fun chilling on some decommed TA’s/VPL’s and TE’s to sit and have bite of a packed lunch from lidl 😅 or just nosy about the cab or engine bay and just self learn things (maybe a cheeky turn on of the electrics). That period I feel we all sorta had respect to the point the events kinda ran themselves. All the people I knew mainly used it to socialise more with each other than fantasise over the buses.
Now organisers/companies have to watch out and probs make larger risk assessments than needed cause parents of these youngers have no idea on how to teach these kids to suppress the very hyperactive / out of control feralness difficulties these kids obvs have. So they come to these events starting fights with eachother or using the buses on show as play toys. Like, the whole opening and closing door thing… knew about it via discord and only witnessed in person at the MB open day. In terms of the first / last days, remember with a friend the first instance of the racing for visuals was the 301 and that was just one kid. He pushed right infront of us just to be the only one wanting to do the visual, like calm down? After that yeah I noticed it just got progressively worse and so don’t do much with buses unless visiting a friend on shift and he wanted a photo.
So do hope these kids sort themselves out one way or another cause I fear if this behaviour continues, these fun and sociable events won’t.
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Post by elcesteem16 on Sept 7, 2024 1:29:21 GMT
Also adding not just youngsters, a number of strange elders have been noted in these past few years. Maybe not as bad as the youngsters, but when the two clash it certainly shows. So they need to sort themselves out and make a better example.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 7, 2024 1:51:31 GMT
Can you not make references to my posts - this is the 2nd time in the last couple of weeks you’ve done it. What part of pretend I & my posts don’t exist do you not understand? I think it might be best to ignore the replies than to retaliate to them. I don’t really see any fault of what he replied, but that’s my own opinion. Just simply get on with your day and ignore them like anyone else in the same position. You have a PM
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Post by Leccy86Hybrid on Sept 7, 2024 4:23:37 GMT
While, W14 has updated announcements, the W12 and W13 have not! Both still announce:
W12 to Wanstead is meant to be W12 to Woodford Bridge W13 to Leytonstone is meant to be W13 to Leyton Asda
Interesting!
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