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Post by DE20106 on Sept 12, 2024 21:23:14 GMT
If I was a driver, the last thing I would care about is the blinds of the vehicle. As long as the bus runs then I highly doubt the driver will do anything. I am not a driver but I am pretty sure it’s their responsibility to make sure the correct blinds are displayed! If they are not on the blind set then at least set the display to blank. Are passengers meant to be mind readers? Also it’s manually blinded so the driver has full control over what it displays. It could well have been done on purpose by the driver for the reasons outlined in my post about yours 🤔
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Post by vjaska on Sept 12, 2024 23:38:25 GMT
I am not a driver but I am pretty sure it’s their responsibility to make sure the correct blinds are displayed! If they are not on the blind set then at least set the display to blank. Are passengers meant to be mind readers? Also it’s manually blinded so the driver has full control over what it displays. It could well have been done on purpose by the driver for the reasons outlined in my post about yours 🤔 Or more likely, it's been done because manual blinds can be a pain to wind around to the correct blind. Believe me, I'm talking from experience here having tried it myself on an Omnitown and having seen an Arriva driver struggle with the front blind on a T - when the mechanism seizes up, it's difficult to turn. I find it hard to believe drivers would purposefully show an incorrect blind, especially in London, when passengers stick their hands out for any bus regardless of what's on the front but I could be wrong. Any drivers I've spoken to politely regarding an incorrect blind are almost always fine with changing it to the correct destination - could be they simply forgot to set it. To date, only had one who was rude back.
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Post by adl on Sept 13, 2024 0:18:27 GMT
Also it’s manually blinded so the driver has full control over what it displays. It could well have been done on purpose by the driver for the reasons outlined in my post about yours 🤔 Or more likely, it's been done because manual blinds can be a pain to wind around to the correct blind. Believe me, I'm talking from experience here having tried it myself on an Omnitown and having seen an Arriva driver struggle with the front blind on a T - when the mechanism seizes up, it's difficult to turn. I find it hard to believe drivers would purposefully show an incorrect blind, especially in London, when passengers stick their hands out for any bus regardless of what's on the front but I could be wrong. Any drivers I've spoken to politely regarding an incorrect blind are almost always fine with changing it to the correct destination - could be they simply forgot to set it. To date, only had one who was rude back. I’m not sure about purposely but some are definitely lazy on the 103, half if not most of the 103s you’ll see show blank destination blind with a few of them managing to do the front blind number. The rear can display absolutely anything, earlier I saw a combination of 175 (Rear) 375 (Front) destination blank. Clearly was a 103 as it was at Rainham and confirmed my suspicions on LVF, it was also in service. The 370 can be hit and miss with blinds with the 66 almost always being set correctly.
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Post by DW221 on Sept 13, 2024 0:37:25 GMT
Or more likely, it's been done because manual blinds can be a pain to wind around to the correct blind. Believe me, I'm talking from experience here having tried it myself on an Omnitown and having seen an Arriva driver struggle with the front blind on a T - when the mechanism seizes up, it's difficult to turn. I find it hard to believe drivers would purposefully show an incorrect blind, especially in London, when passengers stick their hands out for any bus regardless of what's on the front but I could be wrong. Any drivers I've spoken to politely regarding an incorrect blind are almost always fine with changing it to the correct destination - could be they simply forgot to set it. To date, only had one who was rude back. I’m not sure about purposely but some are definitely lazy on the 103, half if not most of the 103s you’ll see show blank destination blind with a few of them managing to do the front blind number. The rear can display absolutely anything, earlier I saw a combination of 175 (Rear) 375 (Front) destination blank. Clearly was a 103 as it was at Rainham and confirmed my suspicions on LVF, it was also in service. The 370 can be hit and miss with blinds with the 66 almost always being set correctly. Well it doesnt help that DW205 210 224 dont have rainham blinds so when they're on 103 theyll always be bandits. But yeah 103 drivers are generally more lazy, I literally saw 3 of them on the route banditised today within 15 mins, and this is where GY blind complaints come from… its been months since Ive seen a blank 66 or 370. 248 displays are 50/50
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Post by WH241 on Sept 13, 2024 8:36:03 GMT
I am not a driver but I am pretty sure it’s their responsibility to make sure the correct blinds are displayed! If they are not on the blind set then at least set the display to blank. Are passengers meant to be mind readers? Also it’s manually blinded so the driver has full control over what it displays. It could well have been done on purpose by the driver for the reasons outlined in my post about yours 🤔 The shunting staff could have at least wound the blind to black blanks when preparing the bus. Even if the driver had to do this it would have only been a one time effort at the garage or in the stand. The worse thing is there was no attempt to display the now custom A4 paper window display.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 13, 2024 13:19:48 GMT
Also it’s manually blinded so the driver has full control over what it displays. It could well have been done on purpose by the driver for the reasons outlined in my post about yours 🤔 Or more likely, it's been done because manual blinds can be a pain to wind around to the correct blind. Believe me, I'm talking from experience here having tried it myself on an Omnitown and having seen an Arriva driver struggle with the front blind on a T - when the mechanism seizes up, it's difficult to turn. I find it hard to believe drivers would purposefully show an incorrect blind, especially in London, when passengers stick their hands out for any bus regardless of what's on the front but I could be wrong. Any drivers I've spoken to politely regarding an incorrect blind are almost always fine with changing it to the correct destination - could be they simply forgot to set it. To date, only had one who was rude back. But you have time to wind it, that is not an excuse. I have had some stiff blinds from many types of buses over the years and that was not an excuse to show an incorrect display. That is just laziness imo. With the T, they can easily by re-adjusted by screwing in the tensioner inside the blindbox. The problem also stems from blindbox manufactures not putting a double lock nut behind the tensioner screw to stop it unwinding and making the blinds stiff to turn. A lot of the processes of the ways buses are made are purely like commercial vehicles and is no surprise they feel like cattle trucks
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 13, 2024 13:20:56 GMT
Also it’s manually blinded so the driver has full control over what it displays. It could well have been done on purpose by the driver for the reasons outlined in my post about yours 🤔 The shunting staff could have at least wound the blind to black blanks when preparing the bus. Even if the driver had to do this it would have only been a one time effort at the garage or in the stand. The worse thing is there was no attempt to display the now custom A4 paper window display. Trouble is, many of the shunting staff at that garage is lazy
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Post by greenboy on Sept 13, 2024 13:53:02 GMT
Also it’s manually blinded so the driver has full control over what it displays. It could well have been done on purpose by the driver for the reasons outlined in my post about yours 🤔 The shunting staff could have at least wound the blind to black blanks when preparing the bus. Even if the driver had to do this it would have only been a one time effort at the garage or in the stand. The worse thing is there was no attempt to display the now custom A4 paper window display. TfL should withhold payment for a bus put out in that condition.
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Post by WH241 on Sept 13, 2024 13:54:33 GMT
Or more likely, it's been done because manual blinds can be a pain to wind around to the correct blind. Believe me, I'm talking from experience here having tried it myself on an Omnitown and having seen an Arriva driver struggle with the front blind on a T - when the mechanism seizes up, it's difficult to turn. I find it hard to believe drivers would purposefully show an incorrect blind, especially in London, when passengers stick their hands out for any bus regardless of what's on the front but I could be wrong. Any drivers I've spoken to politely regarding an incorrect blind are almost always fine with changing it to the correct destination - could be they simply forgot to set it. To date, only had one who was rude back. But you have time to wind it, that is not an excuse. I have had some stiff blinds from many types of buses over the years and that was not an excuse to show an incorrect display. That is just laziness imo. With the T, they can easily by re-adjusted by screwing in the tensioner inside the blindbox. The problem also stems from blindbox manufactures not putting a double lock nut behind the tensioner screw to stop it unwinding and making the blinds stiff to turn. A lot of the processes of the ways buses are made are purely like commercial vehicles and is no surprise they feel like cattle trucks I wouldn’t mind but it was only a one time they had to display black or white blanks. Guess drivers have got into bad habits now most buses are smart blinds.
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Post by adl on Sept 13, 2024 15:03:47 GMT
Following up from my email to TFL a few weeks ago which I posted about them considering decking the route permanently, out the blue I had another reply today (The last email came across as TFL still saw the route as a SD route not knowing of the current decking of the route) in this email it states the the Network Development Team have noted my comments alongside others who have complained about Single Decks being unsuitable for route 165 and also mentions that ‘Route 165 has currently and historically experienced overcrowding when only single-decker buses were in operation.‘ if TFL were aware of this all along why wasn’t something done sooner!!!
The email also reads as a change that is permanent opposed to a tempory change so will be interesting to see what it’s tendered with seeing as my last email stated that it was being considered to be a double deck route upon next tender.
As I type on route 165 as present it is fill upstairs and down with standing passengers on both decks with the bus on the opposite side equally full. I think it’s time route 165 stays Double Deck.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 13, 2024 15:18:58 GMT
Following up from my email to TFL a few weeks ago which I posted about them considering decking the route permanently, out the blue I had another reply today (The last email came across as TFL still saw the route as a SD route not knowing of the current decking of the route) in this email it states the the Network Development Team have noted my comments alongside others who have complained about Single Decks being unsuitable for route 165 and also mentions that ‘Route 165 has currently and historically experienced overcrowding when only single-decker buses were in operation.‘ if TFL were aware of this all along why wasn’t something done sooner!!! The email also reads as a change that is permanent opposed to a tempory change so will be interesting to see what it’s tendered with seeing as my last email stated that it was being considered to be a double deck route upon next tender. As I type on route 165 as present it is fill upstairs and down with standing passengers on both decks with the bus on the opposite side equally full. I think it’s time route 165 stays Double Deck. Many people will complain but it will need to make economic sense to do so, it may be achieved on tender but it also may not be.
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Post by adl on Sept 13, 2024 15:37:26 GMT
Following up from my email to TFL a few weeks ago which I posted about them considering decking the route permanently, out the blue I had another reply today (The last email came across as TFL still saw the route as a SD route not knowing of the current decking of the route) in this email it states the the Network Development Team have noted my comments alongside others who have complained about Single Decks being unsuitable for route 165 and also mentions that ‘Route 165 has currently and historically experienced overcrowding when only single-decker buses were in operation.‘ if TFL were aware of this all along why wasn’t something done sooner!!! The email also reads as a change that is permanent opposed to a tempory change so will be interesting to see what it’s tendered with seeing as my last email stated that it was being considered to be a double deck route upon next tender. As I type on route 165 as present it is fill upstairs and down with standing passengers on both decks with the bus on the opposite side equally full. I think it’s time route 165 stays Double Deck. Many people will complain but it will need to make economic sense to do so, it may be achieved on tender but it also may not be. TBH I think TFL are probably going to see more revenue from the 165 since it’s now double deck which may be a tantalising incentive to convert the route and since Stagecoach currently have excess E400s it has been achieved early should they go ahead with converting it on tender. I think RM have long known it needs deckers as even before the conversion the 165 saw deckers daily even sometimes at the cost of putting a single decker on the 256 once it gained double decks. Now both routes are converted I assume should a single deck need to be used on a DD route it’d be the 165 that takes the hit but since conversion the 165 hasn’t seen a single sigle dealer whereas the 256 still gets one lobbed on there once in a while when RM are short on deckers, not discounting how busy the 256 is here as I know it’s extremely busy especially serving Ardleigh Green college which ha pupils starting and finishing and staggered times, plus the schools and stations served on the route.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 13, 2024 16:25:43 GMT
The shunting staff could have at least wound the blind to black blanks when preparing the bus. Even if the driver had to do this it would have only been a one time effort at the garage or in the stand. The worse thing is there was no attempt to display the now custom A4 paper window display. TfL should withhold payment for a bus put out in that condition. They cannot due to it being an emergency contract, for their own normal contracts they can treat the bus running like that, after 1 round or 3 hours put it as NSB mileage that the company would have to pay for. Plus on high frequency routes, they would delete the bus from the results so it would show as a gap in service.
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Post by WH241 on Sept 13, 2024 16:42:08 GMT
Many people will complain but it will need to make economic sense to do so, it may be achieved on tender but it also may not be. TBH I think TFL are probably going to see more revenue from the 165 since it’s now double deck which may be a tantalising incentive to convert the route and since Stagecoach currently have excess E400s it has been achieved early should they go ahead with converting it on tender. I think RM have long known it needs deckers as even before the conversion the 165 saw deckers daily even sometimes at the cost of putting a single decker on the 256 once it gained double decks. Now both routes are converted I assume should a single deck need to be used on a DD route it’d be the 165 that takes the hit but since conversion the 165 hasn’t seen a single sigle dealer whereas the 256 still gets one lobbed on there once in a while when RM are short on deckers, not discounting how busy the 256 is here as I know it’s extremely busy especially serving Ardleigh Green college which ha pupils starting and finishing and staggered times, plus the schools and stations served on the route. There would have no incentive for Stagecoach to put out double deckers has TfL keeps the revenue. At the end of the day Stagecoach get paid regardless of if is a double decker or single decker tender and will just bid based on the tender spec when it comes out.
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Post by Paul on Sept 13, 2024 17:32:20 GMT
I can confirm that TB garage electrification works have begun! With car parking for drivers subsequently restricted while the works are ongoing Absolutely awful, I thought the driver would've maybe reported something about it? If I was a driver, the last thing I would care about is the blinds of the vehicle. As long as the bus runs then I highly doubt the driver will do anything. I personally wouldn’t have taken the bus out without correct blinds. The driver will be instantly marked down by a mystery passenger for incorrect blinds and it also counts against the operator with TfL
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