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Post by vjaska on Dec 3, 2020 5:12:58 GMT
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Post by thekbq14 on Dec 3, 2020 9:35:02 GMT
Interesting indeed, off topic but Thamesmead since open has been underdeveloped, run down and still no link in trains or to East London across bridge. Again something now that has been claimed and proposed much that any story about the area has became like the boy who cried wolf. Good to see that more houses have been approved especially to the west of Thamesmead that's more industrial and quieter. As this is a bus forum if Plumstead goes I wonder where all the buses will go as I believe this is Stagecoach Selkent's largest Garage in South London also the countless jobs there too. It seems like the bigger issue with Thamesmead is funding as the public transport and NHS demands are lower then was once required with the Greenwich Bus Transit having nothing at all. But like the article it does seem like the blame could be with the Housing developers not using the S106 funds properly. However it could be argued in that case that Woolwich has already good enough links anyways only places I'd say not linked to it right now are Bromley and Croydon but even the latter is a push especially in the days of shorter bus routes. But anyways this can't be said for Thamesmead even if the people who move into these flats tend to drive more or what now, Thamesmead is a underserved area in terms of transport. But hey at least house have been planned are new one at the least, however saying that would be nice/interesting to see if some of the flats in Thamesmead could be rebuilt or refurbished, which I'm pretty sure there's separate plans to do anyways.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 10:00:36 GMT
I’m surprised that these plans were approved given past years has seen bus garage space somewhat protected by the mayor. They must have identified an alternative location that is as large for Stagecoach to use.
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Post by bertrell on Dec 3, 2020 10:21:29 GMT
The site of the new garage will be to the east on a large plot of land on Nathan way, its far far bigger than the current PD Garage.
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Post by snowman on Dec 3, 2020 10:31:19 GMT
The site of the new garage will be to the east on a large plot of land on Nathan way, its far far bigger than the current PD Garage. The big question is what would a 2020s garage look like Would it look like an old high ceiling vented space garage, or more a big parking area with rows of chargers, no diesel maintenance, and possibly a public square and apartments above. I suspect most developers would happily double the garage size if they got the airspace above it
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 3, 2020 10:39:46 GMT
The site of the new garage will be to the east on a large plot of land on Nathan way, its far far bigger than the current PD Garage. The big question is what would a 2020s garage look like Would it look like an old high ceiling vented space garage, or more a big parking area with rows of chargers, no diesel maintenance, and possibly a public square and apartments above. I suspect most developers would happily double the garage size if they got the airspace above it If you want an idea of what a 2020s garage would look like, look at West Ham and imagine it with rows of electric chargers. West Ham was a state-of-the-art green garage when it was built. The office block was deliberately sited at the north end as housing was due to be built on the adjacent site, having the offices there screens the housing from the aural and visual intrusion of the operational garage. Garages make a lot of noise early in the morning and in the late evening; unless you are a diehard enthusiast a bus garage does not make a good neighbour!
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Post by cl54 on Dec 3, 2020 10:46:25 GMT
The site of the new garage will be to the east on a large plot of land on Nathan way, its far far bigger than the current PD Garage. The big question is what would a 2020s garage look like Would it look like an old high ceiling vented space garage, or more a big parking area with rows of chargers, no diesel maintenance, and possibly a public square and apartments above. I suspect most developers would happily double the garage size if they got the airspace above it It will not be anything like the existing garage. Buses will be parked out in the open. A maintenance area and offices and crew facilities under cover. Same as Morden Wharf. Accountants don't like covered bus garages. Expensive to maintain.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 3, 2020 10:47:02 GMT
The big question is what would a 2020s garage look like Would it look like an old high ceiling vented space garage, or more a big parking area with rows of chargers, no diesel maintenance, and possibly a public square and apartments above. I suspect most developers would happily double the garage size if they got the airspace above it If you want an idea of what a 2020s garage would look like, look at West Ham and imagine it with rows of electric chargers. West Ham was a state-of-the-art green garage when it was built. The office block was deliberately sited at the north end as housing was due to be built on the adjacent site, having the offices there screens the housing from the aural and visual intrusion of the operational garage. Garages make a lot of noise early in the morning and in the late evening; unless you are a diehard enthusiast a bus garage does not make a good neighbour! Talking of WH, if this garage is proposed to be much bigger I do wonder how big it actually will be. PD is already among the larger bus garages in London and is probably the second or third biggest in the Stagecoach London portfolio (alongside RM). Any bigger garage would certainly be a monster operation.
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Post by greenboy on Dec 3, 2020 10:53:03 GMT
The big question is what would a 2020s garage look like Would it look like an old high ceiling vented space garage, or more a big parking area with rows of chargers, no diesel maintenance, and possibly a public square and apartments above. I suspect most developers would happily double the garage size if they got the airspace above it It will not be anything like the existing garage. Buses will be parked out in the open. A maintenance area and offices and crew facilities under cover. Same as Morden Wharf. Accountants don't like covered bus garages. Expensive to maintain. Are covered bus garages really needed anymore? How many people keep cars in garages nowadays? Improvements to bodywork standards have made them largely redundant.
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Post by bertrell on Dec 3, 2020 11:01:47 GMT
If you want an idea of what a 2020s garage would look like, look at West Ham and imagine it with rows of electric chargers. West Ham was a state-of-the-art green garage when it was built. The office block was deliberately sited at the north end as housing was due to be built on the adjacent site, having the offices there screens the housing from the aural and visual intrusion of the operational garage. Garages make a lot of noise early in the morning and in the late evening; unless you are a diehard enthusiast a bus garage does not make a good neighbour! Talking of WH, if this garage is proposed to be much bigger I do wonder how big it actually will be. PD is already among the larger bus garages in London and is probably the second or third biggest in the Stagecoach London portfolio (alongside RM). Any bigger garage would certainly be a monster operation.
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Post by bertrell on Dec 3, 2020 11:02:41 GMT
Talking of WH, if this garage is proposed to be much bigger I do wonder how big it actually will be. PD is already among the larger bus garages in London and is probably the second or third biggest in the Stagecoach London portfolio (alongside RM). Any bigger garage would certainly be a monster operation. WH, holds 320 buses off my head, I have a magazine from the Londoner open day Confirming the Capacity!
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Post by busman on Dec 3, 2020 11:11:33 GMT
Interesting this has finally got approval. This has long been the intention for many years. PD and the local fire station are mooted for moves to new industrial premises in the White Hart/Nathan Way area. The council have missed a trick by maintaining the gyratory. They should have insisted developers pay to make that two way and widen pavements. Developers will charge punters half a million to live in a shared ownership box surrounded by a 3 lane one way gyratory overlooking HMP Belmarsh. Lovely ☺️ I note the developers are Peabody. If you are aware of their developments on Woolwich Road and Thamesmead, you will have noticed how slow they are at building. Typical developers deliberately keeping a bottleneck on supply to artificially maintain demand at high prices. PD ain’t going anywhere for a few years to come. If I recall correctly, the land closest to Belmarsh will be developed first.
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Post by cl54 on Dec 3, 2020 11:23:31 GMT
It will not be anything like the existing garage. Buses will be parked out in the open. A maintenance area and offices and crew facilities under cover. Same as Morden Wharf. Accountants don't like covered bus garages. Expensive to maintain. Are covered bus garages really needed anymore? How many people keep cars in garages nowadays? Improvements to bodywork standards have made them largely redundant. The answer is no except for a few days a year when we get deep snow etc. Years ago there was a terrible night at New Cross garage. At the time London buses did not have anti freeze in the coolant. At the time it was thought that buses didn't need it as they were under cover. However, New Cross doesn't have a roof and at the time it had a large allocation of Metropolitan double deckers. The night was very cold and a large number of the buses ended up with cracked cylinder heads. This put some off the road for several weeks as replacements were not available.
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Post by bertrell on Dec 3, 2020 11:35:22 GMT
Are covered bus garages really needed anymore? How many people keep cars in garages nowadays? Improvements to bodywork standards have made them largely redundant. The answer is no except for a few days a year when we get deep snow etc. Years ago there was a terrible night at New Cross garage. At the time London buses did not have anti freeze in the coolant. At the time it was thought that buses didn't need it as they were under cover. However, New Cross doesn't have a roof and at the time it had a large allocation of Metropolitan double deckers. The night was very cold and a large number of the buses ended up with cracked cylinder heads. This put some off the road for several weeks as replacements were not available.
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Post by bertrell on Dec 3, 2020 11:36:23 GMT
The answer is no except for a few days a year when we get deep snow etc. Years ago there was a terrible night at New Cross garage. At the time London buses did not have anti freeze in the coolant. At the time it was thought that buses didn't need it as they were under cover. However, New Cross doesn't have a roof and at the time it had a large allocation of Metropolitan double deckers. The night was very cold and a large number of the buses ended up with cracked cylinder heads. This put some off the road for several weeks as replacements were not available. Those Scanias were Notorious and not the best built buses anyway, Strangely no book has ever been written on them to my Knowledge either.
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