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Post by COBO on Sept 21, 2020 23:03:12 GMT
What ever happened to the VLAs, PDLs and DWLs that we’re at GR after it shut down?
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Post by vjaska on Sept 21, 2020 23:06:26 GMT
Streatham Hill, Bus Garage isn't better as it's not called Streatham Hill Bus Garage and you can't call it Brixton Garage as that would cause considerable confusion as the garage isn't in Brixton or even Brixton Hill - Telford Avenue has been in use for decades without any issues so I don't understand why it's suddenly changed For all buses terminating at BN this was the final destination blind View AttachmentThankfully, they changed that one as again, it's incorrect as Telford Avenue is located in Streatham Hill & not Streatham.
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Post by Max B on Sept 22, 2020 0:53:28 GMT
It would be more confusing as well, they better have Streatham Hill Station still as a curtailment point, if they don't, it will be awful for people who aren't familiar with the area. Streatham Hill, Bus Garage is much better than Telford Avenue, in my opinion, it seems much easier for most people to locate but it's a missed opportunity now . Streatham Hill, Bus Garage isn't better as it's not called Streatham Hill Bus Garage and you can't call it Brixton Garage as that would cause considerable confusion as the garage isn't in Brixton or even Brixton Hill - Telford Avenue has been in use for decades without any issues so I don't understand why it's suddenly changed I remember not so long ago when the 133 got extended to the new Streatham Bus Station it had its blinds with “St Leonard’s Church” taken out, and just showed plain “Streatham”, same with the 60’s destination, I bet that confused some passengers on “where in Streatham” is this bus terminating? Untill both routes finally had their destination blinds changed to now show clearly where in Streatham they’re terminating which is “Streatham Station”.
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Post by richard on Sept 22, 2020 1:20:45 GMT
What ever happened to the VLAs, PDLs and DWLs that we’re at GR after it shut down? This should help with your query
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Post by Volvo on Sept 22, 2020 8:04:26 GMT
I see that alot of the SWs have returned on the 340.
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Post by John tuthill on Sept 22, 2020 11:07:59 GMT
For all buses terminating at BN this was the final destination blind View Attachment Thankfully, they changed that one as again, it's incorrect as Telford Avenue is located in Streatham Hill & not Streatham. A little bit of history, found it on the Lambeth History site Attachment Deleted
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 22, 2020 11:18:04 GMT
Thankfully, they changed that one as again, it's incorrect as Telford Avenue is located in Streatham Hill & not Streatham. A little bit of history, found it on the Lambeth History site It does seem strange that they bothered to rename it at all, it could have kept the Telford Avenue name. I suppose London Transport avoided calling it Streatham Hill Garage as there was already a Streatham Garage.
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Post by kbuses on Sept 22, 2020 11:33:35 GMT
What ever happened to the VLAs, PDLs and DWLs that we’re at GR after it shut down? This should help with your query
I believe a lot of the GR buses were sent for storage at EC but have been moved over the past few months to a secure storage location somewhere in the Hitchin area of Hertfordshire which contains in the region of 100 withdrawn Arriva London buses (DLA,VLA,DWL,EN,ENL and PDL types).
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Post by John tuthill on Sept 22, 2020 11:45:46 GMT
A little bit of history, found it on the Lambeth History site It does seem strange that they bothered to rename it at all, it could have kept the Telford Avenue name. I suppose London Transport avoided calling it Streatham Hill Garage as there was already a Streatham Garage. Seems logical
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Post by paulsw2 on Sept 22, 2020 12:11:22 GMT
Streatham Hill, Bus Garage isn't better as it's not called Streatham Hill Bus Garage and you can't call it Brixton Garage as that would cause considerable confusion as the garage isn't in Brixton or even Brixton Hill - Telford Avenue has been in use for decades without any issues so I don't understand why it's suddenly changed For all buses terminating at BN this was the final destination blind View AttachmentNot quite true in late 90’s buses from the North and 137 used to show Streatham Hill Christchurch Rd and tipped out there.
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Post by Max B on Sept 22, 2020 13:55:13 GMT
A little bit of history, found it on the Lambeth History site It does seem strange that they bothered to rename it at all, it could have kept the Telford Avenue name. I suppose London Transport avoided calling it Streatham Hill Garage as there was already a Streatham Garage. I remember when the L’s on the 50, the 159’s RM’s used to display “Streatham Garage”, and the P13’s DP’s displayed “Streatham Bus Garage”.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 22, 2020 14:31:22 GMT
For all buses terminating at BN this was the final destination blind View Attachment Not quite true in late 90’s buses from the North and 137 used to show Streatham Hill Christchurch Rd and tipped out there. That blind still exists as well for northbound buses on some routes whilst southbound buses for some routes have Brixton Hill, Christchurch Road
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 22, 2020 14:44:29 GMT
Regarding the 313's LT conversion, I think this will more likely be a temporary measure - the 313 seems a strange candidate, especially as a direct upgrade from SDs. My prediction is that the 313 will be tendered on the basis of conventional DDs, with the 313D* working withdrawn. The ex-38 LTs could then be combined with those from the 73's cut (plus maybe some spares from another operator) to fully convert a more appropriate route.
With the released 61reg ENXs, I would opt to send the whole batch to the recently-retained B15, which was originally due to receive older ENXs from the 428, the 313 has a similar PVR so this would be a good fit. The 3x 10reg ENXs at DT could then move to TH for the 289, making the allocation fully ENX, with the 58reg ENLs withdrawn. The 428 could then use the existing 09reg ENXs, plus a few ENLs, until the route eventually gets converted to DDs.
Is the outcome of the 428/492 consultation known yet? If the 428 does get cut to Crayford, I think it might be more sensible to instead extend the 469 a short distance from Erith to Crayford, with the 428 withdrawn.
*Though not related to Arriva, I also think a similar situation could happen with the 293, withdrawing the 293D working in favour of fully converting the route to DDs (following similar recent conversions at RATP on the 423/H98). If the 418 is retained, I think it would likely receive VHs from the 306 - the ADEs could be used at EB for the 293. This could also release the DXEs to the 203, replacing the non-standard MCLs, and giving a uniform fleet with the H37.
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 22, 2020 14:52:14 GMT
I see that alot of the SWs have returned on the 340. With the reliability issues of this batch, I'm not sure the 340 will return to a full SW allocation though, as AD have a few surplus HVs.
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 22, 2020 15:12:00 GMT
Regarding the 313's LT conversion, I think this will more likely be a temporary measure - the 313 seems a strange candidate, especially as a direct upgrade from SDs. My prediction is that the 313 will be tendered on the basis of conventional DDs, with the 313D* working withdrawn. The ex-38 LTs could then be combined with those from the 73's cut (plus maybe some spares from another operator) to fully convert a more appropriate route. <snip> The 313D journeys are unlikely to be withdrawn as they extend to Dame Alice Owen School. It also keeps scheduling straightforward; when Dame Alice Owen is closed those journeys simply do not run.
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