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Post by redexpress on Sept 21, 2020 8:16:58 GMT
Beulah Hill is the main road where the 196, 249 & 468 ran - I presume you mean Spa Hill? I've personally seen a double decker run down Spa Hill before however Spa Hill is not a twisty or tight road so shouldn't be used as any judgement. The fact the 450 has never seen anything longer than 9.5m single deckers would suggest there is possibly a restriction along the route - if I was to guess, possibly the left turn from Brigstock Road into Bensham Manor Lane. I've seen a DLA use the non bus section of Bensham Manor Lane before. I think Kingswood Estate is the culprit here, on Kingswood Drive, the trees hang quite low, plus the roads are quite twisty, however they are rather wide. There's also the junction between Harold Road and Chevening Road, where buses would have to pull out quite far to go onto Chevening Road without mounting the pavement - there are also quite a few parked cars on that street alongside some pretty low trees. I've been on a DD that covered the 450 route through Kingswood Estate - can't remember why, possibly was a diverted bus that took a wrong turn. It made it through without any damage, although you're right that the trees would need a bit of attention.
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Post by galwhv69 on Sept 21, 2020 13:33:46 GMT
Whilst I don't think it would be impossible, it would certainly be tricky getting a double decker on the 450. Though Spa Hill is less steep than Fox Hill (;D), it's still pretty steep and sometimes when using the 450 you can hear the SLS's struggling The couple of times I've had a SLS, they managed the hills fine, better than the PDL's did in fact Fair enough, don't travel up Spa Hill nearly as much as I travel down it so my experience has been limited
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 21, 2020 14:43:43 GMT
I noticed today the 319 was just saying Streatham Hill today without the Telford Ave qualifier. Is that new?
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Post by galwhv69 on Sept 21, 2020 15:07:51 GMT
I noticed today the 319 was just saying Streatham Hill today without the Telford Ave qualifier. Is that new? Not even Station? Never seen that before
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 21, 2020 15:19:59 GMT
No station and the front had Telford Avenue on it.
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Post by galwhv69 on Sept 21, 2020 16:20:55 GMT
No station and the front had Telford Avenue on it. Oops, thought you meant the blinds lol as I didn't read it properly. Still strange though. Just looked at LVF and it's also stating Streatham Hill
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 21, 2020 17:23:24 GMT
I wonder if the 59 and 137 will now say Streatham Hill aswell.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 21, 2020 17:45:39 GMT
No station and the front had Telford Avenue on it. Oops, thought you meant the blinds lol as I didn't read it properly. Still strange though. Just looked at LVF and it's also stating Streatham Hill What a stupid change that is - I cannot believe they actually wasted their time making that change
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Post by LJ17THF on Sept 21, 2020 18:29:17 GMT
Oops, thought you meant the blinds lol as I didn't read it properly. Still strange though. Just looked at LVF and it's also stating Streatham Hill What a stupid change that is - I cannot believe they actually wasted their time making that change It would be more confusing as well, they better have Streatham Hill Station still as a curtailment point, if they don't, it will be awful for people who aren't familiar with the area. Streatham Hill, Bus Garage is much better than Telford Avenue, in my opinion, it seems much easier for most people to locate but it's a missed opportunity now .
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Post by vjaska on Sept 21, 2020 20:28:07 GMT
What a stupid change that is - I cannot believe they actually wasted their time making that change It would be more confusing as well, they better have Streatham Hill Station still as a curtailment point, if they don't, it will be awful for people who aren't familiar with the area. Streatham Hill, Bus Garage is much better than Telford Avenue, in my opinion, it seems much easier for most people to locate but it's a missed opportunity now . Streatham Hill, Bus Garage isn't better as it's not called Streatham Hill Bus Garage and you can't call it Brixton Garage as that would cause considerable confusion as the garage isn't in Brixton or even Brixton Hill - Telford Avenue has been in use for decades without any issues so I don't understand why it's suddenly changed
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Post by rift on Sept 21, 2020 21:55:31 GMT
It would be more confusing as well, they better have Streatham Hill Station still as a curtailment point, if they don't, it will be awful for people who aren't familiar with the area. Streatham Hill, Bus Garage is much better than Telford Avenue, in my opinion, it seems much easier for most people to locate but it's a missed opportunity now . Streatham Hill, Bus Garage isn't better as it's not called Streatham Hill Bus Garage and you can't call it Brixton Garage as that would cause considerable confusion as the garage isn't in Brixton or even Brixton Hill - Telford Avenue has been in use for decades without any issues so I don't understand why it's suddenly changed The 349 manages to employ this and indeed did cause confusion to me, as I used to think Enfield garage and Ponders End were in Enfield Town proper Oops, thought you meant the blinds lol as I didn't read it properly. Still strange though. Just looked at LVF and it's also stating Streatham Hill What a stupid change that is - I cannot believe they actually wasted their time making that change GAL seem to have done this with the transferred MMC’s at BX, just stating Bexleyheath without a qualifier despite there being several areas in Bexleyheath where buses terminate.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 21, 2020 22:17:20 GMT
Streatham Hill, Bus Garage isn't better as it's not called Streatham Hill Bus Garage and you can't call it Brixton Garage as that would cause considerable confusion as the garage isn't in Brixton or even Brixton Hill - Telford Avenue has been in use for decades without any issues so I don't understand why it's suddenly changed The 349 manages to employ this and indeed did cause confusion to me, as I used to think Enfield garage and Ponders End were in Enfield Town proper I think that the 47, 171 and 199 do it the best. They mention the area the bus is in, but also do mention the "Catford" aspect of it in the qualifier. It can get quite hard to distinguish some bus garage on blinds as a lot of them aren't where they say they are, such as C being in Sutton, WH being in Canning Town and TL being in Bellingham.
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Post by galwhv69 on Sept 21, 2020 22:20:20 GMT
Streatham Hill, Bus Garage isn't better as it's not called Streatham Hill Bus Garage and you can't call it Brixton Garage as that would cause considerable confusion as the garage isn't in Brixton or even Brixton Hill - Telford Avenue has been in use for decades without any issues so I don't understand why it's suddenly changed The 349 manages to employ this and indeed did cause confusion to me, as I used to think Enfield garage and Ponders End were in Enfield Town proper What a stupid change that is - I cannot believe they actually wasted their time making that change GAL seem to have done this with the transferred MMC’s at BX, just stating Bexleyheath without a qualifier despite there being several areas in Bexleyheath where buses terminate. The SEN blindsets are an exception as they were ordered by TfL as a standard extra's set and don't include qualifiers unless absolutely necessary to lower costs (such as G1 having it's Green Lane qualifier but not B16 as it just shows Bexleyheath)
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Post by LJ17THF on Sept 21, 2020 22:28:25 GMT
It would be more confusing as well, they better have Streatham Hill Station still as a curtailment point, if they don't, it will be awful for people who aren't familiar with the area. Streatham Hill, Bus Garage is much better than Telford Avenue, in my opinion, it seems much easier for most people to locate but it's a missed opportunity now . Streatham Hill, Bus Garage isn't better as it's not called Streatham Hill Bus Garage and you can't call it Brixton Garage as that would cause considerable confusion as the garage isn't in Brixton or even Brixton Hill - Telford Avenue has been in use for decades without any issues so I don't understand why it's suddenly changed Fair point, I was mainly thinking about the location, as it is in Streatham Hill, but you are correct, Telford Ave. has been in use for a long, long time and there was no reason to change it. They should at least give some sort of explanation why they changed it, but it's all done and dusted now (well, not really dusted ), can't really change much unfortunately.
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Post by John tuthill on Sept 21, 2020 22:37:27 GMT
It would be more confusing as well, they better have Streatham Hill Station still as a curtailment point, if they don't, it will be awful for people who aren't familiar with the area. Streatham Hill, Bus Garage is much better than Telford Avenue, in my opinion, it seems much easier for most people to locate but it's a missed opportunity now . Streatham Hill, Bus Garage isn't better as it's not called Streatham Hill Bus Garage and you can't call it Brixton Garage as that would cause considerable confusion as the garage isn't in Brixton or even Brixton Hill - Telford Avenue has been in use for decades without any issues so I don't understand why it's suddenly changed For all buses terminating at BN this was the final destination blind Attachment Deleted
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