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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 30, 2023 11:27:06 GMT
DX for the 150 or 175 😬 Just joking of course! Wonder if they may go toward a 370 retain at GY existing + New as the 103/66/370 are up soon and could probably do a new bus bid for the 66/103 with the 370 New+o existing SWs. Don't forget both 103 and 370 are cleared for LTs and there are many spares with the 111 de-conversion and 168 withdrawal, plus many refurb floats across all operators. By my calcs both routes could convert with about 25 LTs still spare (not accounted for VORs). |
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Post by DE20106 on Aug 30, 2023 14:01:35 GMT
Wonder if they may go toward a 370 retain at GY existing + New as the 103/66/370 are up soon and could probably do a new bus bid for the 66/103 with the 370 New+o existing SWs. Don't forget both 103 and 370 are cleared for LTs and there are many spares with the 111 de-conversion and 168 withdrawal, plus many refurb floats across all operators. By my calcs both routes could convert with about 25 LTs still spare (not accounted for VORs). I think the last thing GY needs is more 10 year old LT castoffs. It needs some proper investment in some new electric kit to secure its future. Rather than Arriva staying in its comfort zone of retaining with LTs, and kicking the can down the road to 2028/9 when they’ll have a huge uphill battle trying to retain everything that’s come up at the same time with new vehicles |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 30, 2023 14:06:47 GMT
Don't forget both 103 and 370 are cleared for LTs and there are many spares with the 111 de-conversion and 168 withdrawal, plus many refurb floats across all operators. By my calcs both routes could convert with about 25 LTs still spare (not accounted for VORs). I think the last thing GY needs is more 10 year old LT castoffs. It needs some proper investment in some new electric kit to secure its future. Rather than Arriva staying in its comfort zone of retaining with LTs, and kicking the can down the road to 2028/9 when they’ll have a huge uphill battle trying to retain everything that’s come up at the same time with new vehicles I think retaining the route is the overall aim, regardless of what type of vehicle is used on the route. As long as the contracts keep the money rolling in. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 30, 2023 15:32:06 GMT
Don't forget both 103 and 370 are cleared for LTs and there are many spares with the 111 de-conversion and 168 withdrawal, plus many refurb floats across all operators. By my calcs both routes could convert with about 25 LTs still spare (not accounted for VORs). I think the last thing GY needs is more 10 year old LT castoffs. It needs some proper investment in some new electric kit to secure its future. Rather than Arriva staying in its comfort zone of retaining with LTs, and kicking the can down the road to 2028/9 when they’ll have a huge uphill battle trying to retain everything that’s come up at the same time with new vehicles Don't forget Arriva appear to be prepping for a sale so a short-termist view will prevail, as the next owner will be the one to deal with the uphill battle to retain work as you say. It's also not up to Arriva necessarily, if TfL decide to specify LTs then that is what they have to provide. Having said that, if my predictions are by and large correct, we'll be up to ES400 by late 2025, so they will have to invest in EVs to stay competitive. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 30, 2023 15:32:47 GMT
I think the last thing GY needs is more 10 year old LT castoffs. It needs some proper investment in some new electric kit to secure its future. Rather than Arriva staying in its comfort zone of retaining with LTs, and kicking the can down the road to 2028/9 when they’ll have a huge uphill battle trying to retain everything that’s come up at the same time with new vehicles I think retaining the route is the overall aim, regardless of what type of vehicle is used on the route. As long as the contracts keep the money rolling in. Agreed. It's better to operate the route until 2029 than until 2024. (of course unless the contract makes a loss, which is probably unlikely) |
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Post by DE20106 on Aug 30, 2023 16:36:46 GMT
I think the last thing GY needs is more 10 year old LT castoffs. It needs some proper investment in some new electric kit to secure its future. Rather than Arriva staying in its comfort zone of retaining with LTs, and kicking the can down the road to 2028/9 when they’ll have a huge uphill battle trying to retain everything that’s come up at the same time with new vehicles Don't forget Arriva appear to be prepping for a sale so a short-termist view will prevail, as the next owner will be the one to deal with the uphill battle to retain work as you say. It's also not up to Arriva necessarily, if TfL decide to specify LTs then that is what they have to provide. Having said that, if my predictions are by and large correct, we'll be up to ES400 by late 2025, so they will have to invest in EVs to stay competitive. When tenders are submitted (and guesswork has to be involved here as they’re commercially sensitive) they can submit different options. If a route isn’t LT (like the 103/370) they’ll probably have to submit compliant bids with new/existing buses etc and then put in an LT option if it’s cleared for them, and let TfL select that if it’s the option they want. I’d imagine the 215 went down that route. I guess it all comes down to what TfL specify as you said  |
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 30, 2023 16:53:46 GMT
Don't forget Arriva appear to be prepping for a sale so a short-termist view will prevail, as the next owner will be the one to deal with the uphill battle to retain work as you say. It's also not up to Arriva necessarily, if TfL decide to specify LTs then that is what they have to provide. Having said that, if my predictions are by and large correct, we'll be up to ES400 by late 2025, so they will have to invest in EVs to stay competitive. When tenders are submitted (and guesswork has to be involved here as they’re commercially sensitive) they can submit different options. If a route isn’t LT (like the 103/370) they’ll probably have to submit compliant bids with new/existing buses etc and then put in an LT option if it’s cleared for them, and let TfL select that if it’s the option they want. I’d imagine the 215 went down that route. I guess it all comes down to what TfL specify as you said Iv wondered if TFL specified the 248 as an LT contract or whether Stagecoach, Arriva etc bidded with new electric but Arriva knowing they had some spare LTs put in an existing bus bid with them whereas Stagecoach may have only nodded with new. |
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Post by busoccultation on Aug 30, 2023 17:07:28 GMT
When tenders are submitted (and guesswork has to be involved here as they’re commercially sensitive) they can submit different options. If a route isn’t LT (like the 103/370) they’ll probably have to submit compliant bids with new/existing buses etc and then put in an LT option if it’s cleared for them, and let TfL select that if it’s the option they want. I’d imagine the 215 went down that route. I guess it all comes down to what TfL specify as you said Iv wondered if TFL specified the 248 as an LT contract or whether Stagecoach, Arriva etc bidded with new electric but Arriva knowing they had some spare LTs put in an existing bus bid with them whereas Stagecoach may have only nodded with new. Based on the difference between the accepted bid for the 248 by Arriva and the price of the Lowest Individual Compliant Bid of which there is a significant gap so it suggests the bid prices were based on new electrics and then Arriva decided to go and bid the 248 as a LT bid which has worked Arriva as the won the route and also TfL as they were able to award the route at a lower price - tfl.gov.uk/forms/13796.aspx?btID=1929 |
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 30, 2023 17:38:24 GMT
Iv wondered if TFL specified the 248 as an LT contract or whether Stagecoach, Arriva etc bidded with new electric but Arriva knowing they had some spare LTs put in an existing bus bid with them whereas Stagecoach may have only nodded with new. Based on the difference between the accepted bid for the 248 by Arriva and the price of the Lowest Individual Compliant Bid of which there is a significant gap so it suggests the bid prices were based on new electrics and then Arriva decided to go and bid the 248 as a LT bid which has worked Arriva as the won the route and also TfL as they were able to award the route at a lower price - tfl.gov.uk/forms/13796.aspx?btID=1929£3,905,000 over the 5 year contract or 781k a year. Not small change really when times were hard. |
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 30, 2023 17:55:22 GMT
The million pound question being what's happening to the SWs. DX for the 150 or 175 😬 Just joking of course! They would do well on the 370 at GY  |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 31, 2023 23:32:25 GMT
Don't forget both 103 and 370 are cleared for LTs and there are many spares with the 111 de-conversion and 168 withdrawal, plus many refurb floats across all operators. By my calcs both routes could convert with about 25 LTs still spare (not accounted for VORs). I think the last thing GY needs is more 10 year old LT castoffs. It needs some proper investment in some new electric kit to secure its future. Rather than Arriva staying in its comfort zone of retaining with LTs, and kicking the can down the road to 2028/9 when they’ll have a huge uphill battle trying to retain everything that’s come up at the same time with new vehicles Not entirely so. Remember early LFDD's had cost a fortune. Then a few years after, operators were buying them in huge batches to gain cheaper prices per unit. The same can happen in years to come with electric buses and later models would more than likely also have better range etc than current models now. Early LFDD's were heavy and very thirsty. |
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Post by yunus on Aug 31, 2023 23:35:32 GMT
Planning to ride an SW tomm just encase they are withdrawn cos the 340 leaves for BT on Saturday.
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 1, 2023 0:51:43 GMT
Planning to ride an SW tomm just encase they are withdrawn cos the 340 leaves for BT on Saturday. SW's very rarely make it on to the 340 and are generally found on the 102 and 329. Both routes pass the garage, they had reliability issues to begin with, most drivers use Ts or HVs on the 340. You can always check on lvf.io before you set off to avoid disappointment  More chance of Richarlison replacing Haaland at Manchester City than a Streetdeck returning for a last hurrah on the route TBH |
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Post by COBO on Sept 1, 2023 5:17:16 GMT
Today’s the last day for Arriva to operate the 340 after a long time and the 340 has the honour of being the last GR / the shires routes to leave Arriva after being kept behind when the garage closed its doors.
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 1, 2023 17:52:03 GMT
Planning to ride an SW tomm just encase they are withdrawn cos the 340 leaves for BT on Saturday. They're not tracking on LVF according to the Papers  but are definitely there this evening  |
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