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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 2, 2023 7:45:46 GMT
Arriva may just dump them if their range is too low, I'm sure plans will be revealed soon enough. Quite possibly, they do seem to be getting more and more unreliable with double deckers appearing on the 312 throughout the day. I don't what will happen if and when the extension to Old Lodge Lane happens? Possibly convert the 289 to double deckers and use the ENX's on the 312? I was thinking that aswell about when the route is restricted to SDs due to the new section it will make it harder to allocate to as it and the 166 will need to always be SD. That's one reason I'm not massively in favour of the change as it will permanently restrict the current section of the 312 to SDs when it does have heavy loads at time. Possibly making it NJ to Caterham using DDs, withdrawing the 407 as planned between Croydon and Caterham then having a new SD route between West Croydon and Old Lodge Lane via the Old Town instead every 15 mins would be better. |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 2, 2023 7:59:41 GMT
Quite possibly, they do seem to be getting more and more unreliable with double deckers appearing on the 312 throughout the day. I don't what will happen if and when the extension to Old Lodge Lane happens? Possibly convert the 289 to double deckers and use the ENX's on the 312? I was thinking that aswell about when the route is restricted to SDs due to the new section it will make it harder to allocate to as it and the 166 will need to always be SD. That's one reason I'm not massively in favour of the change as it will permanently restrict the current section of the 312 to SDs when it does have heavy loads at time. Possibly making it NJ to Caterham using DDs, withdrawing the 407 as planned between Croydon and Caterham then having a new SD route between West Croydon and Old Lodge Lane via the Old Town instead every 15 mins would be better. Yes that's a good shout, it would almost recreate the old 197 route. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 2, 2023 8:06:34 GMT
I was thinking that aswell about when the route is restricted to SDs due to the new section it will make it harder to allocate to as it and the 166 will need to always be SD. That's one reason I'm not massively in favour of the change as it will permanently restrict the current section of the 312 to SDs when it does have heavy loads at time. Possibly making it NJ to Caterham using DDs, withdrawing the 407 as planned between Croydon and Caterham then having a new SD route between West Croydon and Old Lodge Lane via the Old Town instead every 15 mins would be better. Yes that's a good shout, it would almost recreate the old 197 route. The 197 was a change iv never really understood why it was split in 1987 anyways. It was hardly a really long route and was certainly shorter then the 407 is now. Probably down to different frequency needed either side of Croydon. |
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Post by YY13VKP on Sept 2, 2023 8:15:45 GMT
According to the engineer there, its said to be permanent but also heard they're temporarily going onto the 312. I heard they were going to TC but I honestly thought it was a joke, I wonder what's happening to the EMC's if they're going on the 312 temporarily? The 312 would be ideal for the SW's,they won't go too far from the garage. Makes me wonder if perhaps they’re covering for EMC’s if they’re getting battery upgrades in time for the 312’s extension to Old Lodge Lane? As someone else suggested, the SW’s could also replace the the remainder of DW259-DW271 on the 194 if all made their way over to TC? |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 2, 2023 8:26:44 GMT
I heard they were going to TC but I honestly thought it was a joke, I wonder what's happening to the EMC's if they're going on the 312 temporarily? The 312 would be ideal for the SW's,they won't go too far from the garage. Makes me wonder if perhaps they’re covering for EMC’s if they’re getting battery upgrades in time for the 312’s extension to Old Lodge Lane? As someone else suggested, the SW’s could also replace the the remainder of DW259-DW271 on the 194 if all made their way over to TC? How many SWs are there? Could the 2 frog faces from the 133 make up a full allocation on the 194 come January leaving the HAs for the 50 and 689 if retained. New buses for the 250, 255, 289. |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 2, 2023 8:32:20 GMT
Makes me wonder if perhaps they’re covering for EMC’s if they’re getting battery upgrades in time for the 312’s extension to Old Lodge Lane? As someone else suggested, the SW’s could also replace the the remainder of DW259-DW271 on the 194 if all made their way over to TC? How many SWs are there? Could the 2 frog faces from the 133 make up a full allocation on the 194 come January leaving the HAs for the 50 and 689 if retained. New buses for the 250, 255, 289. There are 10 SW's, I'm not sure if they would risk them on the 194? |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 2, 2023 8:41:22 GMT
How many SWs are there? Could the 2 frog faces from the 133 make up a full allocation on the 194 come January leaving the HAs for the 50 and 689 if retained. New buses for the 250, 255, 289. There are 10 SW's, I'm not sure if they would risk them on the 194? If they can't stray far from the base and go on the 340 sending then on the 194 which is quite a long route is probably a bit iffy. |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 2, 2023 8:53:40 GMT
I have a strong feeling that the SWs will all eventually enter service at South Croydon Garage. We took them there last night You said there was plans but bet no one see that coming 
I think they might as well just give up trying to run the 312 as an electric route.
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Post by VWH1419 on Sept 2, 2023 9:31:11 GMT
If there is one thing I learnt this month, it’s that you can’t keep a terrible batch of buses down. Moving out VWs at W to keep TEHs was another example.
Hope TC does ok with those. Their age was always the pause for thought, more so when Arriva have too many 59/60/61 regs to replace at once. I guess some breathing space when retaining stuff. 😬
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 2, 2023 9:39:13 GMT
How many SWs are there? Could the 2 frog faces from the 133 make up a full allocation on the 194 come January leaving the HAs for the 50 and 689 if retained. New buses for the 250, 255, 289. There are 10 SW's, I'm not sure if they would risk them on the 194? Must admit that was a move that came totally out of the blue for me ... but to be honest had not really thought about what would happen to the SWs. I would be interested to discover what their intended allocation is. It will probably be one of 60,194, 412 or 466. |
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 2, 2023 9:43:41 GMT
I heard they were going to TC but I honestly thought it was a joke, I wonder what's happening to the EMC's if they're going on the 312 temporarily? The 312 would be ideal for the SW's,they won't go too far from the garage. Makes me wonder if perhaps they’re covering for EMC’s if they’re getting battery upgrades in time for the 312’s extension to Old Lodge Lane? As someone else suggested, the SW’s could also replace the the remainder of DW259-DW271 on the 194 if all made their way over to TC? Can you honestly see anyone forking out the cost of battery upgrades for buses that may only have 2 years left of service? PS ... Did you see it mentioned Stagecoach South Yorkshire will be operating the 398 this year! Non-London related. We moan about some of the dead-runs in London! EDIT ... seems that rumour is false as Yorkshire Buses just published a timetable. |
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 2, 2023 9:57:21 GMT
There are 10 SW's, I'm not sure if they would risk them on the 194? Must admit that was a move that came totally out of the blue for me ... but to be honest had not really thought about what would happen to the SWs. I would be interested to discover what their intended allocation is. It will probably be one of 60,194, 412 or 466. Dont think the SW’s are really suited to any of those routes tbh, especially not the hills of the 412. If you had to pick any of those maybe the 60 as it’s mostly a trundling trunk route with the garage in the middle? So they don’t have *that* far to stray from the garage at any time |
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 2, 2023 10:00:09 GMT
There are 10 SW's, I'm not sure if they would risk them on the 194? Must admit that was a move that came totally out of the blue for me ... but to be honest had not really thought about what would happen to the SWs. I would be interested to discover what their intended allocation is. It will probably be one of 60,194, 412 or 466. My guess would be the 412 based on PVRs, maybe a school route too. The 412 also has both termini very close to TC so might help with any reliability issues, considering the SWs were unsuitable for the 340. |
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 2, 2023 10:02:23 GMT
Must admit that was a move that came totally out of the blue for me ... but to be honest had not really thought about what would happen to the SWs. I would be interested to discover what their intended allocation is. It will probably be one of 60,194, 412 or 466. My guess would be the 412 based on PVRs, maybe a school route too. The 412 also has both termini very close to TC so might help with any reliability issues, considering the SWs were unsuitable for the 340. Totally unsuitable for the 412, they’d get roll back down before getting to the top of the hills 😂😂 The 412 is of the most spectacular routes in all of London, god help it if those absolute heaps get dumped on it |
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 2, 2023 10:11:07 GMT
Must admit that was a move that came totally out of the blue for me ... but to be honest had not really thought about what would happen to the SWs. I would be interested to discover what their intended allocation is. It will probably be one of 60,194, 412 or 466. Dont think the SW’s are really suited to any of those routes tbh, especially not the hills of the 412. If you had to pick any of those maybe the 60 as it’s mostly a trundling trunk route with the garage in the middle? So they don’t have *that* far to stray from the garage at any time Agree, think the 412 is the least suited route for these vehicles. Only rhyme or reason I can currently come up with is they are to replace the HVs on the 466 to allow vehicles for whichever SL route was going to be X34, probably indirectly. But my doubt to this is then why not keep them at AD. Reliability of the batch seems to have drastically improved over recent months, did they have a modification program? |
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