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Post by JUNIOR26 on Sept 2, 2023 10:14:20 GMT
Must admit that was a move that came totally out of the blue for me ... but to be honest had not really thought about what would happen to the SWs. I would be interested to discover what their intended allocation is. It will probably be one of 60,194, 412 or 466. Dont think the SW’s are really suited to any of those routes tbh, especially not the hills of the 412. If you had to pick any of those maybe the 60 as it’s mostly a trundling trunk route with the garage in the middle? So they don’t have *that* far to stray from the garage at any time Seems those SWs manage better on long distance routes, as I have thought for a long while. |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 2, 2023 10:28:46 GMT
Dont think the SW’s are really suited to any of those routes tbh, especially not the hills of the 412. If you had to pick any of those maybe the 60 as it’s mostly a trundling trunk route with the garage in the middle? So they don’t have *that* far to stray from the garage at any time Agree, think the 412 is the least suited route for these vehicles. Only rhyme or reason I can currently come up with is they are to replace the HVs on the 466 to allow vehicles for whichever SL route was going to be X34, probably indirectly. But my doubt to this is then why not keep them at AD. Reliability of the batch seems to have drastically improved over recent months, did they have a modification program? Depends how you look at it, the 412 might be seen as the best route for them as it doesn’t stray far from the garage, just as long as they get up the hills eventually. Obviously the buses should still have a few years left in them and I guess TC was as good a place as any place as any to deposit them? |
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 2, 2023 10:31:30 GMT
Agree, think the 412 is the least suited route for these vehicles. Only rhyme or reason I can currently come up with is they are to replace the HVs on the 466 to allow vehicles for whichever SL route was going to be X34, probably indirectly. But my doubt to this is then why not keep them at AD. Reliability of the batch seems to have drastically improved over recent months, did they have a modification program? Depends how you look at it, the 412 might be seen as the best route for them as it doesn’t stray far from the garage, just as long as they get up the hills eventually. Obviously the buses should still have a few years left in them and I guess TC was as good a place as any place as any to deposit them? Could be. It is all guesswork and opinion at the moment, but I'm sticking by my opinion that the 412 is the least suitable.Just something I never saw coming! I am actually looking forward to riding one as think I have only ridden on one once before, that being in Brighton. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 2, 2023 11:01:25 GMT
Must admit that was a move that came totally out of the blue for me ... but to be honest had not really thought about what would happen to the SWs. I would be interested to discover what their intended allocation is. It will probably be one of 60,194, 412 or 466. Dont think the SW’s are really suited to any of those routes tbh, especially not the hills of the 412. If you had to pick any of those maybe the 60 as it’s mostly a trundling trunk route with the garage in the middle? So they don’t have *that* far to stray from the garage at any time Even the 60 has a steep hill at the Coulsdon end, albeit not as bad as the 412. The 312 does seem the best route for them - runs straight to the garage, short length and not particularly taxing with any inclines pretty much reversed to bridges over railways |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 11:04:35 GMT
Dont think the SW’s are really suited to any of those routes tbh, especially not the hills of the 412. If you had to pick any of those maybe the 60 as it’s mostly a trundling trunk route with the garage in the middle? So they don’t have *that* far to stray from the garage at any time Even the 60 has a steep hill at the Coulsdon end, albeit not as bad as the 412. The 312 does seem the best route for them - runs straight to the garage, short length and not particularly taxing with any inclines pretty much reversed to bridges over railways They can only be allocated to the 312 for 6 months before it gets extended to Reedham where the bridge is slightly too low for double deckers |
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Post by abellion on Sept 2, 2023 11:35:00 GMT
Depends how you look at it, the 412 might be seen as the best route for them as it doesn’t stray far from the garage, just as long as they get up the hills eventually. Obviously the buses should still have a few years left in them and I guess TC was as good a place as any place as any to deposit them? Could be. It is all guesswork and opinion at the moment, but I'm sticking by my opinion that the 412 is the least suitable.Just something I never saw coming! I am actually looking forward to riding one as think I have only ridden on one once before, that being in Brighton. If the SWs can’t handle the 412 then that is honestly pathetic, I know Streetdecks are generally rubbish but even the oldest DWs and Ts like the LJ08s have been able to crawl up the worst hills. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 11:37:14 GMT
Could be. It is all guesswork and opinion at the moment, but I'm sticking by my opinion that the 412 is the least suitable.Just something I never saw coming! I am actually looking forward to riding one as think I have only ridden on one once before, that being in Brighton. If the SWs can’t handle the 412 then that is honestly pathetic, I know Streetdecks are generally rubbish but even the oldest DWs and Ts like the LJ08s have been able to crawl up the worst hills. I think it's not that it actually can't climb the hills, it's just that it can't do it on a regular basis day in day out |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 2, 2023 11:41:19 GMT
Could be. It is all guesswork and opinion at the moment, but I'm sticking by my opinion that the 412 is the least suitable.Just something I never saw coming! I am actually looking forward to riding one as think I have only ridden on one once before, that being in Brighton. If the SWs can’t handle the 412 then that is honestly pathetic, I know Streetdecks are generally rubbish but even the oldest DWs and Ts like the LJ08s have been able to crawl up the worst hills. I would think they can climb hills but very slowly, some of the T/DW's on the 412 struggle with the hills. |
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Post by portman227 on Sept 2, 2023 11:42:34 GMT
If the SWs can’t handle the 412 then that is honestly pathetic, I know Streetdecks are generally rubbish but even the oldest DWs and Ts like the LJ08s have been able to crawl up the worst hills. I think it's not that it actually can't climb the hills, it's just that it can't do it on a regular basis day in day out Some of the DW’s at TC are performance restricted, very very bad on some of the hills on 412/60, so wondering how bad or even worse the SW’s are. Can’t be as bad as people make it. |
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Sept 2, 2023 11:42:51 GMT
Even the 60 has a steep hill at the Coulsdon end, albeit not as bad as the 412. The 312 does seem the best route for them - runs straight to the garage, short length and not particularly taxing with any inclines pretty much reversed to bridges over railways They can only be allocated to the 312 for 6 months before it gets extended to Reedham where the bridge is slightly too low for double deckers Send them to 289, that route needs double deckers 😂 |
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Post by VWH1419 on Sept 2, 2023 11:52:40 GMT
Could be. It is all guesswork and opinion at the moment, but I'm sticking by my opinion that the 412 is the least suitable.Just something I never saw coming! I am actually looking forward to riding one as think I have only ridden on one once before, that being in Brighton. If the SWs can’t handle the 412 then that is honestly pathetic, I know Streetdecks are generally rubbish but even the oldest DWs and Ts like the LJ08s have been able to crawl up the worst hills. Think it’s more that their reliability is really bad. I have seen SWs abandoned at Golders Green and Brent Cross countless times, it would have been a running gag to post those in their Clapped Out Buses thread, when others have already done so. 😅 Hard to say performance wise. SW2 was OK, but SW7 was one of the most shocking buses I had rode on to date when I had to use the 102 (slow and an aggressive rattle box) |
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 2, 2023 12:17:42 GMT
According to the engineer there, its said to be permanent but also heard they're temporarily going onto the 312. I heard they were going to TC but I honestly thought it was a joke, I wonder what's happening to the EMC's if they're going on the 312 temporarily? The 312 would be ideal for the SW's,they won't go too far from the garage. Imagine the stupid posts in the obs thread when someone posts about seeing SW2 in the SW2 postcode if it ends up on the 60   |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 12:21:22 GMT
If the SWs can’t handle the 412 then that is honestly pathetic, I know Streetdecks are generally rubbish but even the oldest DWs and Ts like the LJ08s have been able to crawl up the worst hills. Think it’s more that their reliability is really bad. I have seen SWs abandoned at Golders Green and Brent Cross countless times, it would have been a running gag to post those in their Clapped Out Buses thread, when others have already done so. 😅 Hard to say performance wise. SW2 was OK, but SW7 was one of the most shocking buses I had rode on to date when I had to use the 102 (slow and an aggressive rattle box) SW6 reportedly broke down on the way to TC last night 😂 |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 2, 2023 12:21:51 GMT
I heard they were going to TC but I honestly thought it was a joke, I wonder what's happening to the EMC's if they're going on the 312 temporarily? The 312 would be ideal for the SW's,they won't go too far from the garage. Imagine the stupid posts in the obs thread when someone posts about seeing SW2 in the SW2 postcode if it ends up on the 60 Sadly, the 60 doesn’t make it into SW2 territory but rather SW16 territory instead. Now if the 50 was to move to TC like it was originally expected to, then SW2 & SW4 would be able to potentially visit their postcode designations 😂 |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 2, 2023 12:24:32 GMT
I think it's not that it actually can't climb the hills, it's just that it can't do it on a regular basis day in day out Some of the DW’s at TC are performance restricted, very very bad on some of the hills on 412/60, so wondering how bad or even worse the SW’s are. Can’t be as bad as people make it. The difference is the DW’s don’t have reliability issues so even the ones that are performance restricted would still operate far more reliably in comparison. Streetdecks are well known for their sluggishness - the ones in Brighton are no better and they have even more taxing routes to use like the 12X |
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