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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 4, 2024 22:35:26 GMT
It's worth noting the Old Lodge Lane extension is close to doubling the routes length in terms of miles, rounders could be made harder as a result aswell as the loss to easily be able to change buses over at the terminal in the future have basically made it un viable to continue with them. Coupled with the fact a full days service can hardly to be done with them without a substitution with DDs and they probably would have had to introduce some diesel SDs anyway. Don't forget the 312 passes it's garage so buses could be easily subbed for top up charging mid route - the garage would only be roughly 20 minutes away from Old Lodge Lane and probably similar to Norwood Junction. Once evening hits, they'll have a bunch of diesels from the 166 to pick from just like now and I'm not sure what's stopping the 166 using deckers in the evening given the deckers were cleared as far as Chipstead Valley - presumably, Woodmansterne Village near Lavender Fields has low trees? I don't know about the 166. I wonder if a test has ever been done or whether it's know residents would object. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 5, 2024 10:54:29 GMT
That's probably because, in my opinion, the WVLs are excellent buses and have aged extremely well in comparison to other buses of a similar age. My only issue would be that the interior leaves a lot to be desired, especially the seating, for such a long express route. If I was TfL the X26/SL7 would have been one of the first to get fully high-spec buses (even before the Superloop scheme). It is quite odd that the 213, which runs parallel for a large section of the route, has much more comfortable buses than the express route. You have to remember going back to the London Transport days where most companies were ordering new low floor double deckers and they had that HORRID middle staircase whilst other routes kept their existing step entrance buses and then when it came to renewal time between 2002-2005 the step entrance routes ended up with better buses than those with the middle staircases. (Of course you had certain routes that became a dumping ground for them existing buses middle staircase vehicles as other routes were seen as a flagship route so they got the new stuff) That middle staircase was down to people like Andrew Braddock and DDA |
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Post by greenboy on Feb 5, 2024 13:42:13 GMT
A driver from TC posted that "Only a couple more weeks left with the electrics on the 312 before they get replaced" on the Londoner FB group, is anyone in the know able to provide clarification? Edit: He has now stated that ENLs from DX will be transferring. I assume it will coincide with route 325 transferring to GAL. I've heard from someone else who works for Arriva that the 312 will get the ENL's from the 325. I don't know if that's confirmed or just canteen gossip but I can't see the EMC's managing the Old Lodge Lane extension. |
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Post by dace2 on Feb 5, 2024 17:49:36 GMT
Wow so that’s 13 vehicles branded for the SL5 (ENX6-18), for a PVR of 10. I’m really against branding up so many more vehicles than the route’s PVR, must be a nightmare for flexibility and a huge excess of buses that have to sit around idle it would of been 14 if ENX19 didn't crash |
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Post by dace2 on Feb 5, 2024 17:59:28 GMT
Is this person a reliable source? Struggling to see an electric route revert to diesel operation, I know the EMCs are awful and unreliable but would TFL really allow this? Not sure, he posted months ago that the 60 will convert to HV operation once the 133/333 leaves BN but only one HV has made it over. TfL would, they've done it with the 28. no way thats gonna happen. |
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Post by cybermike137 on Feb 5, 2024 18:07:02 GMT
Wow so that’s 13 vehicles branded for the SL5 (ENX6-18), for a PVR of 10. I’m really against branding up so many more vehicles than the route’s PVR, must be a nightmare for flexibility and a huge excess of buses that have to sit around idle it would of been 14 if ENX19 didn't crash Correction, a car crashing into ENX19 |
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Post by cybermike137 on Feb 5, 2024 18:20:53 GMT
Finally, after so long, 289 is fully decked. ENX28 was subbed for T128
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Post by kermit463 on Feb 5, 2024 20:06:10 GMT
Finally, after so long, 289 is fully decked. ENX28 was subbed for T128 What is happening to the remaining ENX’s that wasn’t used for the SL5? Are they being kept as spares or will be sent off somewhere else? |
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Post by WH241 on Feb 5, 2024 20:12:01 GMT
Not sure, he posted months ago that the 60 will convert to HV operation once the 133/333 leaves BN but only one HV has made it over. TfL would, they've done it with the 28. no way thats gonna happen. Seen numerous mentions of the 325 buses being used and does seem to suggest its most likely to happen. What makes you say it won't happen? Its not like the 312 has had an exactly successful run using the current electric buses. The route could be up for tender next year so could be awarded with a new batch of electric buses. |
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Post by cybermike137 on Feb 5, 2024 20:33:24 GMT
Finally, after so long, 289 is fully decked. ENX28 was subbed for T128 What is happening to the remaining ENX’s that wasn’t used for the SL5? Are they being kept as spares or will be sent off somewhere else? Well ENX31 and 32 are in the garage parked next to each other. I have no idea what their plans are for them, maybe spare if TC need them. Or sent to another garage entirely, north London. Same for ENX28. |
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Post by adl on Feb 5, 2024 20:38:21 GMT
What is happening to the remaining ENX’s that wasn’t used for the SL5? Are they being kept as spares or will be sent off somewhere else? Well ENX31 and 32 are in the garage parked next to each other. I have no idea what their plans are for them, maybe spare if TC need them. Or sent to another garage entirely, north London. Same for ENX28. Would be nice to see them at GY for the 375 & 347. (ENX31/32) |
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Post by cybermike137 on Feb 5, 2024 20:51:27 GMT
Well ENX31 and 32 are in the garage parked next to each other. I have no idea what their plans are for them, maybe spare if TC need them. Or sent to another garage entirely, north London. Same for ENX28. Would be nice to see them at GY for the 375 & 347. (ENX31/32) That is likely, still unsure about what will happen with ENX28 |
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 5, 2024 21:14:29 GMT
Would be nice to see them at GY for the 375 & 347. (ENX31/32) That is likely, still unsure about what will happen with ENX28 Perfect home until 2030. ENX28 probably to TC. |
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Post by londonbuses on Feb 5, 2024 21:16:54 GMT
Would be nice to see them at GY for the 375 & 347. (ENX31/32) That is likely, still unsure about what will happen with ENX28 Surely it'll be sent out of London or scrapped, given it is 14 years old now and is not in a good condition. |
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Post by dace2 on Feb 5, 2024 22:32:57 GMT
no way thats gonna happen. Seen numerous mentions of the 325 buses being used and does seem to suggest its most likely to happen. What makes you say it won't happen? Its not like the 312 has had an exactly successful run using the current electric buses. The route could be up for tender next year so could be awarded with a new batch of electric buses. oh, i meant that the 60 won't happen |
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