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Post by ADH45258 on Feb 4, 2024 19:00:52 GMT
Is this person a reliable source? Struggling to see an electric route revert to diesel operation, I know the EMCs are awful and unreliable but would TFL really allow this? Not sure, he posted months ago that the 60 will convert to HV operation once the 133/333 leaves BN but only one HV has made it over. TfL would, they've done it with the 28. For what reason would the 312 convert back to diesels? I think some of the EMCs were only refurbished quite recently anyway. I can only assume that it could be due to reliability issues with the EMCs, but even then I'm surprised TFL would accept them being replaced by diesels (and ones 4-5 years older than the electrics). Unlike the 28, the 312 is contractually allocated electrics. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 19:08:28 GMT
Not sure, he posted months ago that the 60 will convert to HV operation once the 133/333 leaves BN but only one HV has made it over. TfL would, they've done it with the 28. For what reason would the 312 convert back to diesels? I think some of the EMCs were only refurbished quite recently anyway. I can only assume that it could be due to reliability issues with the EMCs, but even then I'm surprised TFL would accept them being replaced by diesels (and ones 4-5 years older than the electrics). Unlike the 28, the 312 is contractually allocated electrics. Well if Arriva reasonably fears that the EMCs have the potential to hamper the route alongside the fact there are next to no other SD spares at TC, it would be better to just get them replaced and both TfL & Arriva won't be paying for a new batch of EVs mid-contract. Before someone says they should just keep the ENLs as backup, that would mean Arriva would have to maintain two fleets of buses for one route, and storage/space is another factor. I'm sure we'll see soon enough if it's true or not. |
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Post by COBO on Feb 4, 2024 19:27:27 GMT
For what reason would the 312 convert back to diesels? I think some of the EMCs were only refurbished quite recently anyway. I can only assume that it could be due to reliability issues with the EMCs, but even then I'm surprised TFL would accept them being replaced by diesels (and ones 4-5 years older than the electrics). Unlike the 28, the 312 is contractually allocated electrics. Well if Arriva reasonably fears that the EMCs have the potential to hamper the route alongside the fact there are next to no other SD spares at TC, it would be better to just get them replaced and both TfL & Arriva won't be paying for a new batch of EVs mid-contract. Before someone says they should just keep the ENLs as backup, that would mean Arriva would have to maintain two fleets of buses for one route, and storage/space is another factor. I'm sure we'll see soon enough if it's true or not. Well drivers are hardly the most reliable of sources no offence to any drivers on here. So I wouldn’t believe what he or she has posted. |
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Post by Max B on Feb 4, 2024 19:35:09 GMT
Is this person a reliable source? Struggling to see an electric route revert to diesel operation, I know the EMCs are awful and unreliable but would TFL really allow this? Not sure, he posted months ago that the 60 will convert to HV operation once the 133/333 leaves BN but only one HV has made it over. TfL would, they've done it with the 28. HV56 is allocated to the 466, and originally went to BN for the 133’s reroute to Holborn. T168 is what replaced it at TC. With both vehicles back at their respective garages, the 60 converting to HV’s I believe won’t happen untill the 50’s electrics arrive. |
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Post by greenboy on Feb 4, 2024 19:36:02 GMT
Not sure, he posted months ago that the 60 will convert to HV operation once the 133/333 leaves BN but only one HV has made it over. TfL would, they've done it with the 28. For what reason would the 312 convert back to diesels? I think some of the EMCs were only refurbished quite recently anyway. I can only assume that it could be due to reliability issues with the EMCs, but even then I'm surprised TFL would accept them being replaced by diesels (and ones 4-5 years older than the electrics). Unlike the 28, the 312 is contractually allocated electrics. The EMC's have seemingly become more and more problematical and I did think ENX's from the 289 might have replaced them but obviously they're now being used on the SL5. If the Old Lodge Lane extension isn't happening, no confirmation either way as far as I'm aware, then the 312 would probably be an ideal gig for the SW's and then T's from TH when the electrics arrive? I thought the 312 was contracted for diesels but Arriva opted for electrics? Might be wrong though and I'm happy to be corrected if anybody knows otherwise. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 19:38:14 GMT
For what reason would the 312 convert back to diesels? I think some of the EMCs were only refurbished quite recently anyway. I can only assume that it could be due to reliability issues with the EMCs, but even then I'm surprised TFL would accept them being replaced by diesels (and ones 4-5 years older than the electrics). Unlike the 28, the 312 is contractually allocated electrics. The EMC's have seemingly become more and more problematical and I did think ENX's from the 289 might have replaced them but obviously they're now being used on the SL5. If the Old Lodge Lane extension isn't happening, no confirmation either way as far as I'm aware, then the 312 would probably be an ideal gig for the SW's and then T's from TH when the electrics arrive? I thought the 312 was contracted for diesels but Arriva opted for electrics? Might be wrong though and I'm happy to be corrected if anybody knows otherwise. |
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Post by londonbuses on Feb 4, 2024 19:46:15 GMT
For what reason would the 312 convert back to diesels? I think some of the EMCs were only refurbished quite recently anyway. I can only assume that it could be due to reliability issues with the EMCs, but even then I'm surprised TFL would accept them being replaced by diesels (and ones 4-5 years older than the electrics). Unlike the 28, the 312 is contractually allocated electrics. The EMC's have seemingly become more and more problematical and I did think ENX's from the 289 might have replaced them but obviously they're now being used on the SL5. If the Old Lodge Lane extension isn't happening, no confirmation either way as far as I'm aware, then the 312 would probably be an ideal gig for the SW's and then T's from TH when the electrics arrive? I thought the 312 was contracted for diesels but Arriva opted for electrics? Might be wrong though and I'm happy to be corrected if anybody knows otherwise. The Old Lodge Lane extension is happening in a months time on the 2nd March. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 4, 2024 21:01:58 GMT
For what reason would the 312 convert back to diesels? I think some of the EMCs were only refurbished quite recently anyway. I can only assume that it could be due to reliability issues with the EMCs, but even then I'm surprised TFL would accept them being replaced by diesels (and ones 4-5 years older than the electrics). Unlike the 28, the 312 is contractually allocated electrics. Well if Arriva reasonably fears that the EMCs have the potential to hamper the route alongside the fact there are next to no other SD spares at TC, it would be better to just get them replaced and both TfL & Arriva won't be paying for a new batch of EVs mid-contract. Before someone says they should just keep the ENLs as backup, that would mean Arriva would have to maintain two fleets of buses for one route, and storage/space is another factor. I'm sure we'll see soon enough if it's true or not. It's worth noting the Old Lodge Lane extension is close to doubling the routes length in terms of miles, rounders could be made harder as a result aswell as the loss to easily be able to change buses over at the terminal in the future have basically made it un viable to continue with them. Coupled with the fact a full days service can hardly to be done with them without a substitution with DDs and they probably would have had to introduce some diesel SDs anyway. |
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Post by COBO on Feb 4, 2024 21:21:54 GMT
Does the extension for the 312 involve a pvr increase?
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 4, 2024 21:25:26 GMT
Does the extension for the 312 involve a pvr increase? I would imagine so as its adding about 20 mins to the route and maintaining the current freq. |
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Post by COBO on Feb 4, 2024 21:27:55 GMT
Does the extension for the 312 involve a pvr increase? I would imagine so as its adding about 20 mins to the route and maintaining the current freq. Couldn’t ENLs be used for the pvr increase rather than fully replacing the EMCs? |
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Post by greenboy on Feb 4, 2024 22:15:32 GMT
The EMC's have seemingly become more and more problematical and I did think ENX's from the 289 might have replaced them but obviously they're now being used on the SL5. If the Old Lodge Lane extension isn't happening, no confirmation either way as far as I'm aware, then the 312 would probably be an ideal gig for the SW's and then T's from TH when the electrics arrive? I thought the 312 was contracted for diesels but Arriva opted for electrics? Might be wrong though and I'm happy to be corrected if anybody knows otherwise. The Old Lodge Lane extension is happening in a months time on the 2nd March. If that's correct then fair enough but I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere. |
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Post by londonbuses on Feb 4, 2024 22:18:53 GMT
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Post by greenboy on Feb 4, 2024 22:23:08 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Feb 4, 2024 22:27:49 GMT
Well if Arriva reasonably fears that the EMCs have the potential to hamper the route alongside the fact there are next to no other SD spares at TC, it would be better to just get them replaced and both TfL & Arriva won't be paying for a new batch of EVs mid-contract. Before someone says they should just keep the ENLs as backup, that would mean Arriva would have to maintain two fleets of buses for one route, and storage/space is another factor. I'm sure we'll see soon enough if it's true or not. It's worth noting the Old Lodge Lane extension is close to doubling the routes length in terms of miles, rounders could be made harder as a result aswell as the loss to easily be able to change buses over at the terminal in the future have basically made it un viable to continue with them. Coupled with the fact a full days service can hardly to be done with them without a substitution with DDs and they probably would have had to introduce some diesel SDs anyway. Don't forget the 312 passes it's garage so buses could be easily subbed for top up charging mid route - the garage would only be roughly 20 minutes away from Old Lodge Lane and probably similar to Norwood Junction. Once evening hits, they'll have a bunch of diesels from the 166 to pick from just like now and I'm not sure what's stopping the 166 using deckers in the evening given the deckers were cleared as far as Chipstead Valley - presumably, Woodmansterne Village near Lavender Fields has low trees? |
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