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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Feb 17, 2024 8:11:48 GMT
I believe the 194 and 410 are confirmed to be swapping garages, so the 198 moving out of TH can't be linked to the 194. TC is nearly full now with the SL5, so I don't think the 198 can move in without something moving out. I think it was announced soon after the 50/194/250/255/289 tender results that TH would become fully electric, i.e. meaning that the 198 would not be able to remain there. However, the SL5 tender result was not yet known at the time, so plans may have changed since. Considering space at TC, the only way I can see this working is if the 410 were to go to N instead. Unless TH just keeps some non-electric routes after all. Furthermore, in addition to space at N ex route 157, there is space at BN ex routes 133 & 333, even after allowing for BN regaining the N share of route 137. It could balance work out if route 410 moves to N and route 432 to BN.
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 17, 2024 8:12:38 GMT
Well no because if the 50 takes it’s place it will be full… 50 is staying in BN. As far as I’m aware it should be moving to TH as planned per tender notice.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Feb 17, 2024 8:13:29 GMT
The HV's are not that much better at times. Many of them are currently long term off the road due to gearbox and engine problems. Biggest problem hitting Arriva is the lack of spending on maintenance which it appears to now have spread to other companies looking at every measure to tighten the belt as less income is coming in from not being able to meet figures due to TfL, local councils and utility companies screwing up the road network. As you may be aware Arriva are running at a loss, for the first time in years. If TfL weren't installing new Virtue Signalling on the Overground and took utility firms to task and raised speed limits, I'm sure that will help. I still wonder where on earth the money goes as they still go begging to central government for more Sad to see Arriva running at a loss, I guess more operators will be handing back unprofitable routes in future as TfL's demands get more unreasonable I don't think Arriva have even handed anything back early recently.
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 17, 2024 8:14:03 GMT
I think it was announced soon after the 50/194/250/255/289 tender results that TH would become fully electric, i.e. meaning that the 198 would not be able to remain there. However, the SL5 tender result was not yet known at the time, so plans may have changed since. Considering space at TC, the only way I can see this working is if the 410 were to go to N instead. Unless TH just keeps some non-electric routes after all. Furthermore, in addition to space at N ex route 157, there is space at BN ex routes 133 & 333, even after allowing for BN regaining the N share of route 137. It could balance work out if route 410 moves to N and route 432 to BN. Why would you suggest to move the 432 to BN when it passes Ns front door? The 410 will not go to N because it’s too end on hence why it’s moving to TC.
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Post by dace2 on Feb 17, 2024 9:19:27 GMT
I believe the 194 and 410 are confirmed to be swapping garages, so the 198 moving out of TH can't be linked to the 194. TC is nearly full now with the SL5, so I don't think the 198 can move in without something moving out. Rubbish TC is not nearly full…where did you come up with that conspiracy theory. TC lost the 197 & 264 and gained the 405 & SL5 and has been nowhere near full capacity for a long time now pretty much since the 407 left and even when that was there it was not full. The 50 left TC shortly afterwards. Yes so if it’s not full, the 198 can easily transfer to TC (more space in TH). If the 50 was to transfer from BN to TH, the garage would be nearly full with like 10-13 buses being available. EDIT: TC does have 2 routes with PVR of 6-8 and if one of the routes get EVs, it might transfer to TH to fill in the space.
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 17, 2024 9:41:05 GMT
Rubbish TC is not nearly full…where did you come up with that conspiracy theory. TC lost the 197 & 264 and gained the 405 & SL5 and has been nowhere near full capacity for a long time now pretty much since the 407 left and even when that was there it was not full. The 50 left TC shortly afterwards. Yes so if it’s not full, the 198 can easily transfer to TC (more space in TH). If the 50 was to transfer from BN to TH, the garage would be nearly full with like 10-13 buses being available. EDIT: TC does have 2 routes with PVR of 6-8 and if one of the routes get EVs, it might transfer to TH to fill in the space. Says who? I imagine the infrastructure for the Electrics will take up a lot of space…
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Post by billa on Feb 17, 2024 10:43:40 GMT
That wont happen (I hope), the HA's are shocking for reliability, every morning this week I've had 4+ mechanicals on the SL1. With the HV's maybe 4 the entire week, if that lol. Those HA's will be likely cascaded to displace older Diesels. That being said I think AD needs an extra 2 HA's just to compensate for the mechanicals and HA1 being off the road. The HV's are not that much better at times. Many of them are currently long term off the road due to gearbox and engine problems. Biggest problem hitting Arriva is the lack of spending on maintenance which it appears to now have spread to other companies looking at every measure to tighten the belt as less income is coming in from not being able to meet figures due to TfL, local councils and utility companies screwing up the road network. As you may be aware Arriva are running at a loss, for the first time in years. Yes, rather sadly it feels like Arriva is treading water to keep itself a float at this point, and its not doing a particularly good job doing so either. With TFL, I really cant see what the end game is with them, if they stay on the same course eventually the operators are going to start to realise there's no profit operating here and pull out.
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Post by ibus246 on Feb 17, 2024 11:16:32 GMT
The HV's are not that much better at times. Many of them are currently long term off the road due to gearbox and engine problems. Biggest problem hitting Arriva is the lack of spending on maintenance which it appears to now have spread to other companies looking at every measure to tighten the belt as less income is coming in from not being able to meet figures due to TfL, local councils and utility companies screwing up the road network. As you may be aware Arriva are running at a loss, for the first time in years. Yes, rather sadly it feels like Arriva is treading water to keep itself a float at this point, and its not doing a particularly good job doing so either. With TFL, I really cant see what the end game is with them, if they stay on the same course eventually the operators are going to start to realise there's no profit operating here and pull out. Don’t say that too loud on here. And you know why. But wait; they won this magical SL5 contract? A contract is a contract you know? Even 1 year?
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Post by ibus246 on Feb 17, 2024 11:18:07 GMT
Yes so if it’s not full, the 198 can easily transfer to TC (more space in TH). If the 50 was to transfer from BN to TH, the garage would be nearly full with like 10-13 buses being available. EDIT: TC does have 2 routes with PVR of 6-8 and if one of the routes get EVs, it might transfer to TH to fill in the space. Says who? I imagine the infrastructure for the Electrics will take up a lot of space… As before, this is a bus forum. Says who - would be the OP. Hence the use of the word “might” Just a thought from the OP. Nothing bigger than that. No conspiracy theories here.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 17, 2024 11:28:27 GMT
I wonder whether route 73 or 253 will eventually join them at SF? These might have been more logical returns to SF than route 254, which would have suited CT fine. SF is where the 254 began from. There are still some drivers on the 254 who were on the route from when it was at [SF] and also before it was split from the dual 253 that previously run.
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 17, 2024 11:32:52 GMT
Says who? I imagine the infrastructure for the Electrics will take up a lot of space… As before, this is a bus forum. Says who - would be the OP. Hence the use of the word “might” Just a thought from the OP. Nothing bigger than that. No conspiracy theories here. Best to wait and see… the word “might” means it will in the world of online groups because speculation rules over facts…
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Feb 17, 2024 11:59:18 GMT
I believe the 194 and 410 are confirmed to be swapping garages, so the 198 moving out of TH can't be linked to the 194. TC is nearly full now with the SL5, so I don't think the 198 can move in without something moving out. Rubbish TC is not nearly full…where did you come up with that conspiracy theory. TC lost the 197 & 264 and gained the 405 & SL5 and has been nowhere near full capacity for a long time now pretty much since the 407 left and even when that was there it was not full. The 50 left TC shortly afterwards. TC also lost the 403 in 2018 aswell but yes TC hasn't been at full capacity for a while as you stated.
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Post by Busboy105 on Feb 18, 2024 18:37:04 GMT
I've noticed recently that the 144 sometimes turns into Redvers Road from the High Road to Lordship Lane instead of carrying on till the Junction and turning. I know the turn can be a little tight sometimes but it's still interesting to see
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Post by sam97 on Feb 18, 2024 21:17:16 GMT
I've noticed recently that the 144 sometimes turns into Redvers Road from the High Road to Lordship Lane instead of carrying on till the Junction and turning. I know the turn can be a little tight sometimes but it's still interesting to see I’ve seen that happen years ago. Some drivers can’t be asked to go through the junction
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Post by londonbuses184 on Feb 18, 2024 21:40:40 GMT
I've noticed recently that the 144 sometimes turns into Redvers Road from the High Road to Lordship Lane instead of carrying on till the Junction and turning. I know the turn can be a little tight sometimes but it's still interesting to see I’ve seen that happen years ago. Some drivers can’t be asked to go through the junction Probably to save time as well
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