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Post by mondraker275 on Mar 2, 2024 20:15:24 GMT
Litterally, Arriva wasnt ready for the SL2. There are comments from LOTS that the date for the SL2 was changed from the 9th to 2nd. If contracts were working to the 9th, then they may not have been able to have been changed. From the moment I saw it was back to back for SL3 and SL2, I was surprised given the SL10 and SL1 had two weeks which made sense. I think that it was brought froward so there can be Comms about SL being complete in the next week before the pre-election period. I already have heard a TfL advert about this today.
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Post by ServerKing on Mar 2, 2024 22:13:14 GMT
The main thing is a service was provided, and I am sure these issues like branding will be sorted in due time. Even the SL3 uses regular buses from time to time if there's an issue with the LT's.
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Post by sp17 on Mar 3, 2024 0:34:51 GMT
I now live in the provinces and I marvel when I see people complaining about branding and such like things, my local service runs once every few hours. We really are a privileged bunch us Londoners. TfL really aren’t that bad, they’re actually good, as a society we have become very expectant; if you think TfL are bad then you should have a look at Nexus.
Of course there is the usual member who thinks all things stagecoach are gold and that anything Arriva is not good. Not really sure how Arriva are at fault with the blinds unless the OP is suggesting Arriva perhaps have had the blinds delivered and cannot be bothered to have them installed.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 3, 2024 2:14:22 GMT
I now live in the provinces and I marvel when I see people complaining about branding and such like things, my local service runs once every few hours. We really are a privileged bunch us Londoners. TfL really aren’t that bad, they’re actually good, as a society we have become very expectant; if you think TfL are bad then you should have a look at Nexus. Of course there is the usual member who thinks all things stagecoach are gold and that anything Arriva is not good. Not really sure how Arriva are at fault with the blinds unless the OP is suggesting Arriva perhaps have had the blinds delivered and cannot be bothered to have them installed. Bad is probably the wrong word so I'll agree with you there but I'm not sure good is right either - maybe indifferent might be a fairer summing up of TfL over the last 10 years?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 3, 2024 3:17:56 GMT
That is terrible but not surprising the Slipboard Kings are at it again all those HAs that were sitting around could have gotten new blinds, let alone branding I am assuming FRV is First Ride Video? As I said earlier I assume TfL arrange the branding so don’t think this is Arriva. They do arrange the branding, the trouble is, it is the same people that do adverts on buses. So adverts are going to take priority as they generate more money.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 3, 2024 3:19:52 GMT
SL2 has started questionably with Arriva. We see buses have not completely been blinded yet and are simply only showing the SL2 numbering, I believe only HA45 and 52 have been branded and the rest are yet to get them. But I do believe most of the buses will already have received USB chargers by now! There's also an appearance of DW333 on the route! The service of the route seems to be generally okay though, but we see young enthusiasts fighting and pushing around to make a FRV of the route. Overall, not the worst but DX could do better That is terrible but not surprising the Slipboard Kings are at it again all those HAs that were sitting around could have gotten new blinds, let alone branding I am assuming FRV is First Ride Video? No this is an FRV
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 3, 2024 3:25:58 GMT
Stagecoach managed it with less time for the SL3, so why can’t Arriva do it? Why didn’t Arriva order them at the same time as the ones for the SL5 or SL1? It’s really a shambles and a very poor showing from Arriva today. In a word a clusterf**k. Typical Barking. Stagecoach or Go Ahead should of got this route Well they had the opportunity to
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 3, 2024 3:35:20 GMT
Buses that came off the 325 late last night were in service early this morning. When would they blind them? Overnight? Like Abellio have done in the past Or potentially at the very least order a TC set and put the 325 on them like many other companies have done in anticipation of a move. It could have been done overnight. The problem is though, the route change to use ENL's was done at the last minute as the EMC's has been rendered unsuitable for the extension. Years gone by it would have been done to include a route being lost, but would not be done due to prices of power blinds gone to the roof.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 3, 2024 3:59:10 GMT
The main thing is a service was provided, and I am sure these issues like branding will be sorted in due time. Even the SL3 uses regular buses from time to time if there's an issue with the LT's. The fact they are using more than one non LT from the operator who is meant to have a picture perfect mechanical record says it all. They cannot even muster up enough fit LT's for service on a flagship route.
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Post by ServerKing on Mar 3, 2024 7:17:38 GMT
That is terrible but not surprising the Slipboard Kings are at it again all those HAs that were sitting around could have gotten new blinds, let alone branding I am assuming FRV is First Ride Video? No this is an FRV I'm not clued up on the latest Honda people carriers, forgive me
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Post by HV92 on Mar 3, 2024 7:29:25 GMT
From a purely enthusiast’s point of view, there seems to be lots of Arriva bashing going on at the minute. Find me a bus company that is absolutely perfect and never has any issues and I’ll start to listen. It’s no secret that some issues are out of the operators control and indeed are the leadership of TFL and their changes and demands. It would be more credible if we were to let an operator start a route for say a couple of months and then provide feedback rather than attack them on the first day of operation. Let’s see how the SL2 performs over the next 6 weeks and then feedback constructive criticism perhaps. My family have not been in the bus industry for years but anybody will tell you it’s a much tougher business now than it was.
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Post by greenboy on Mar 3, 2024 7:31:03 GMT
I now live in the provinces and I marvel when I see people complaining about branding and such like things, my local service runs once every few hours. We really are a privileged bunch us Londoners. TfL really aren’t that bad, they’re actually good, as a society we have become very expectant; if you think TfL are bad then you should have a look at Nexus. Of course there is the usual member who thinks all things stagecoach are gold and that anything Arriva is not good. Not really sure how Arriva are at fault with the blinds unless the OP is suggesting Arriva perhaps have had the blinds delivered and cannot be bothered to have them installed. Well Stagecoach do seem to make a much better job of bus presentation. The correct blind displays are not just an optional extra, I would suggest they are every bit as essential as a fully functioning wheelchair ramp.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 3, 2024 8:30:14 GMT
From a purely enthusiast’s point of view, there seems to be lots of Arriva bashing going on at the minute. Find me a bus company that is absolutely perfect and never has any issues and I’ll start to listen. It’s no secret that some issues are out of the operators control and indeed are the leadership of TFL and their changes and demands. It would be more credible if we were to let an operator start a route for say a couple of months and then provide feedback rather than attack them on the first day of operation. Let’s see how the SL2 performs over the next 6 weeks and then feedback constructive criticism perhaps. My family have not been in the bus industry for years but anybody will tell you it’s a much tougher business now than it was. However Arriva have experience running buses don’t they? I understand your point about service, the SL2 as a route has never existed in this form so nobody knows what they’re getting into, but the ability to blind a bus properly is not new to this company and they have umpteen years of experience preparing for the introduction of new routes. This route wasn’t a last minute takeover either like the Metroline takeover of the 378 where all the buses didn’t have blinds either, they knew when the route was starting and when the buses would become available. Arriva themselves managed on the SL5 and Stagecoach managed to get it done on the SL3 a week prior. The Arriva bashing clearly comes from somewhere, I doubt everyone has decided to one day just turn on Arriva and insult every move they make. This has been a build up of poor bus presentation and standards leading to a poor customer experience. It’s often argued that service is priority, which is true, but when similar routes all have good service then the Arriva route becomes the poorest offering by a margin. The 62 and 368 (under Arriva) were both well operated route, but the 62 will always have its buses presented well, fully blinded and not making unorthodox noises while a 368 will turn up behind with the number stuck between the 325 and 368, and a blank destination blind. So you can see why people complain about standards.
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Post by ServerKing on Mar 3, 2024 8:46:44 GMT
From a purely enthusiast’s point of view, there seems to be lots of Arriva bashing going on at the minute. Find me a bus company that is absolutely perfect and never has any issues and I’ll start to listen. It’s no secret that some issues are out of the operators control and indeed are the leadership of TFL and their changes and demands. It would be more credible if we were to let an operator start a route for say a couple of months and then provide feedback rather than attack them on the first day of operation. Let’s see how the SL2 performs over the next 6 weeks and then feedback constructive criticism perhaps. My family have not been in the bus industry for years but anybody will tell you it’s a much tougher business now than it was. Arriva do have form for poor blind displays (184, 318, E10, SL2 etc.) but it is also down to TfL for sticking to obsolete roller blind tech when the world has moved on. As we've seen from the latest LED offerings, there is a credible alternative. As for branding, this is TfL's best effort yet, considering everything else is all over red if not ad wrapped. I know traffic in that part of town is a nightmare, like how the SL1 can equally be blighted, so I wish any operator of a Superloop service the best of luck as TfL have not provided the infrastructure (decent traffic speeds, clearer roads, less roadworks... in fact there was talks of even lowering the A406 to 30 a few weeks ago). Sadiq Khan admitted in The Telegraph that the Streatham LTNs have caused nothing but mayhem and ruined bus services, which will hardly encourage people out of their cars. Bus Enthusiasts are like football fans. You'd love Arriva, like Spurs, to do well, but their "Spursy" performance lets them down. Buses look as tired as Katie Price's Sussex mansion, and don't get me started on the chaos of the 307's electrics rollout. Some things are beyond their control, perhaps even TfL could have leaned on UK Power Networks to sort out the electrics in the area and add more substations in, but it further proves electric tech is a busted flush and just political will. I think the bus industry is getting tougher as everything else is in the UK since Brexit. BTW fares did rise, despite Khan claiming they were frozen (Zone 1-3 Travelcard for one month up to £192 from £184), so you can't trust anything TfL tell you. Sadly, the majority use buses because they have to rather than want, so presentation may be key, considering London is light years behind the rest of the bus industry outside of the M25, in this world of luxury SUVs and creature comforts. Yesterday lunchtime, I tried to flag down a 243 at Awlfield Road stop (heading towards Wood Green). The bus buzzed me and seemed to pull in towards the stop, but was still doing at least 15, then drove off, but the 123 directly behind it (both HV's) did stop. The 123 then drives so close to the 243 in front I thought it would go into the back of it at Watheof Avenue stop. Turns out the drivers were playing around and it was "bants" between the pair. Another passenger looked as puzzled as I was by the antics, but it's all part of the standard of bus travel in general, regardless of operator in London. Perhaps it's demanding schedules from TfL due to stupidly low traffic speeds, sometimes the gaps in service are so bad it's quicker to walk. I would love all services across London to improve, but naturally one will criticize their local routes if seen to be sub par. There is no real solution to this, so the bashing will continue, it's just the way it is. 242 was my local route back in the day, now it's changed operator, no doubt someone using that route will still find fault, it's just human nature
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Post by cybermike137 on Mar 3, 2024 9:47:52 GMT
First full T allocation on Sunday on 289
EDIT 12:22- spoke too soon, ENX28 makes an appearance
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