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Post by mark on Jul 19, 2024 10:40:52 GMT
I suspect that BZL would not be suited for the the AD routes, particularly 34 and SL1. They should be the next set announced. I wonder if SL1 will get special interior colour/seats being the first Superloop route with new buses? It would make sense. The SL3 should be the first Superloop route to receive new buses. Whether that happens in practice, of course, remains to be seen!
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 19, 2024 11:28:39 GMT
I suspect that BZL would not be suited for the the AD routes, particularly 34 and SL1. They should be the next set announced. I wonder if SL1 will get special interior colour/seats being the first Superloop route with new buses? It would make sense. The SL3 should be the first Superloop route to receive new buses. Whether that happens in practice, of course, remains to be seen! Shouldn't it be the SL1? The new contract is this year while the SL3 is next year.
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 19, 2024 12:33:09 GMT
They are long vehicles (same length as the BYD), are there any areas on the 41 that could have issues with vehicles this length? Having done the route end to end Archway to Tottenham nothing immediate springs to mind I reckon the fleet code of these will either be EV (apt 😂) or EB (for Electric Volvo, or Electric BZL) I don't know what the 41 is like now especially in crouch end and West Green Road nearer Seven Sisters but when I did the 41 those areas with a DW were extremely tight just trying to get into gaps. My wife said doing the 91s with LTs in Crouch End at times was a complete nightmare aswell because on the weekends/evenings when everyone parks where they like, honestly it was a absolute pain the neck. West Green Rd is blighted by bad parking, so no matter what bus type you are going to struggle... you can barely drive a Corsa down there. I don't know why Haringey haven't put double yellows down one side to ease the situation...
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Post by dace2 on Jul 19, 2024 13:44:38 GMT
If that refers to first part of post then, no real evidence behind it but from experience using the different types, the BZL feels like it will use a lot of energy to get up to the speeds required for the constant fast section. It looks and feels massive and not aerodynamically that good. The 113 seems to be doing fine which would be a comparison route to 34/SL1 with the Electroliner although in fairness there aren't many BZLs around to know how well it would do. Would you take the risk? You might end up having to need extra spares as mentioned in the Stagecoach thread that the 277 is getting a charging spare and the 58/D7 are kinder on the batteries, so sounds like the route type and/or schedule can have an impact on the ability to the run the route efficiently with electrics. If it refers to second part, Superloop is another 'mode' and it makes sense that it has a unique interior to normal buses. Whether matching the colour of the route i.e. red for SL1 or a standardised colour for all SL routes. Speaking of SL1, I'm predicting theyre gonna use Enviro 400 EV just like the SL3.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 19, 2024 13:50:32 GMT
If that refers to first part of post then, no real evidence behind it but from experience using the different types, the BZL feels like it will use a lot of energy to get up to the speeds required for the constant fast section. It looks and feels massive and not aerodynamically that good. The 113 seems to be doing fine which would be a comparison route to 34/SL1 with the Electroliner although in fairness there aren't many BZLs around to know how well it would do. Would you take the risk? You might end up having to need extra spares as mentioned in the Stagecoach thread that the 277 is getting a charging spare and the 58/D7 are kinder on the batteries, so sounds like the route type and/or schedule can have an impact on the ability to the run the route efficiently with electrics. If it refers to second part, Superloop is another 'mode' and it makes sense that it has a unique interior to normal buses. Whether matching the colour of the route i.e. red for SL1 or a standardised colour for all SL routes. Speaking of SL1, I'm predicting theyre gonna use Enviro 400 EV just like the SL3. Why would you think that?
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Post by mark on Jul 19, 2024 14:29:50 GMT
The SL3 should be the first Superloop route to receive new buses. Whether that happens in practice, of course, remains to be seen! Shouldn't it be the SL1? The new contract is this year while the SL3 is next year. You are quite right. Not sure how I managed to overlook that the SL1 had been awarded already. For some reason I was labouring under the delusion that it (and the 34) had a 2 year extension. I blame the heat….
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 19, 2024 18:43:20 GMT
If that refers to first part of post then, no real evidence behind it but from experience using the different types, the BZL feels like it will use a lot of energy to get up to the speeds required for the constant fast section. It looks and feels massive and not aerodynamically that good. The 113 seems to be doing fine which would be a comparison route to 34/SL1 with the Electroliner although in fairness there aren't many BZLs around to know how well it would do. Would you take the risk? You might end up having to need extra spares as mentioned in the Stagecoach thread that the 277 is getting a charging spare and the 58/D7 are kinder on the batteries, so sounds like the route type and/or schedule can have an impact on the ability to the run the route efficiently with electrics. If it refers to second part, Superloop is another 'mode' and it makes sense that it has a unique interior to normal buses. Whether matching the colour of the route i.e. red for SL1 or a standardised colour for all SL routes. Speaking of SL1, I'm predicting theyre gonna use Enviro 400 EV just like the SL3. As Arriva are suffering more power struggles than the Tories, they may not want to introduce yet a 3rd electric bus type, possibly with different charging requirements
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 19, 2024 19:09:26 GMT
Speaking of SL1, I'm predicting theyre gonna use Enviro 400 EV just like the SL3. As Arriva are suffering more power struggles than the Tories, they may not want to introduce yet a 3rd electric bus type, possibly with different charging requirements The BZL will be the 3rd after the ES & EA ... then add the EMNs, think they have most bases already filled!
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 20, 2024 6:19:31 GMT
Speaking of SL1, I'm predicting theyre gonna use Enviro 400 EV just like the SL3. As Arriva are suffering more power struggles than the Tories, they may not want to introduce yet a 3rd electric bus type, possibly with different charging requirements It is therefore perhaps appropriate that the number of remaining Tory MPs, 121, matches an Arriva London route.
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Post by Volvo on Jul 20, 2024 7:18:11 GMT
I don't know what the 41 is like now especially in crouch end and West Green Road nearer Seven Sisters but when I did the 41 those areas with a DW were extremely tight just trying to get into gaps. My wife said doing the 91s with LTs in Crouch End at times was a complete nightmare aswell because on the weekends/evenings when everyone parks where they like, honestly it was a absolute pain the neck. West Green Rd is blighted by bad parking, so no matter what bus type you are going to struggle... you can barely drive a Corsa down there. I don't know why Haringey haven't put double yellows down one side to ease the situation... Well Yes ofcourse your going to have issues but obviously the longer the vehicle the worse it is. Atleast with a HV the short wheelbase and turning circle helped alot, I can't say the same about the 10.9m BZLs with their long wheelbase.
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Post by Volvo on Jul 20, 2024 7:25:56 GMT
If that refers to first part of post then, no real evidence behind it but from experience using the different types, the BZL feels like it will use a lot of energy to get up to the speeds required for the constant fast section. It looks and feels massive and not aerodynamically that good. The 113 seems to be doing fine which would be a comparison route to 34/SL1 with the Electroliner although in fairness there aren't many BZLs around to know how well it would do. Would you take the risk? You might end up having to need extra spares as mentioned in the Stagecoach thread that the 277 is getting a charging spare and the 58/D7 are kinder on the batteries, so sounds like the route type and/or schedule can have an impact on the ability to the run the route efficiently with electrics. I hear you 💯, tbh I thought when I saw 268bhp for the BZLs I thought Volvo are having a laugh because that is the same output got the single deck BZLs and infect the single deck BZLs also have a 536bhp option, so why not the double deck? The BYD E400s we have are 408bhp and are 400kgs lighter and they are not that rapid, intact most of them are sluggish. I mean the BYD E200s we have are 240bhp, yet Volvo think it's acceptable for this large heavy vehicle to have 268bhp. Besides I wouldn't call any bus aerodynamically good.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 20, 2024 8:06:11 GMT
I suspect that BZL would not be suited for the the AD routes, particularly 34 and SL1. They should be the next set announced. I wonder if SL1 will get special interior colour/seats being the first Superloop route with new buses? It would make sense. Why would they not, after all, there is no length restrictions. The only part of concern on the 34 is the turn outside the church at Barnet.
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Post by DE20106 on Jul 20, 2024 8:06:47 GMT
If that refers to first part of post then, no real evidence behind it but from experience using the different types, the BZL feels like it will use a lot of energy to get up to the speeds required for the constant fast section. It looks and feels massive and not aerodynamically that good. The 113 seems to be doing fine which would be a comparison route to 34/SL1 with the Electroliner although in fairness there aren't many BZLs around to know how well it would do. Would you take the risk? You might end up having to need extra spares as mentioned in the Stagecoach thread that the 277 is getting a charging spare and the 58/D7 are kinder on the batteries, so sounds like the route type and/or schedule can have an impact on the ability to the run the route efficiently with electrics. I hear you 💯, tbh I thought when I saw 268bhp for the BZLs I thought Volvo are having a laugh because that is the same output got the single deck BZLs and infect the single deck BZLs also have a 536bhp option, so why not the double deck? The BYD E400s we have are 408bhp and are 400kgs lighter and they are not that rapid, intact most of them are sluggish. I mean the BYD E200s we have are 240bhp, yet Volvo think it's acceptable for this large heavy vehicle to have 268bhp. Besides I wouldn't call any bus aerodynamically good. Well the Stagecoach Cambridge ones certainly aren’t sluggish, quite brisk actually. Maybe can just deliver the power well to make up for it. Also it well known electric power trains have enormous torque
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 20, 2024 8:17:42 GMT
If that refers to first part of post then, no real evidence behind it but from experience using the different types, the BZL feels like it will use a lot of energy to get up to the speeds required for the constant fast section. It looks and feels massive and not aerodynamically that good. The 113 seems to be doing fine which would be a comparison route to 34/SL1 with the Electroliner although in fairness there aren't many BZLs around to know how well it would do. Would you take the risk? You might end up having to need extra spares as mentioned in the Stagecoach thread that the 277 is getting a charging spare and the 58/D7 are kinder on the batteries, so sounds like the route type and/or schedule can have an impact on the ability to the run the route efficiently with electrics. If it refers to second part, Superloop is another 'mode' and it makes sense that it has a unique interior to normal buses. Whether matching the colour of the route i.e. red for SL1 or a standardised colour for all SL routes. Nothing more than a keyboard driver comment. No bus is that aerodynamic, some may be better than others, but nothing to stop them getting up to a high speed. You never heard the saying, never judge a book by its cover.
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 20, 2024 8:48:06 GMT
I suspect that BZL would not be suited for the the AD routes, particularly 34 and SL1. They should be the next set announced. I wonder if SL1 will get special interior colour/seats being the first Superloop route with new buses? It would make sense. Why would they not, after all, there is no length restrictions. The only part of concern on the 34 is the turn outside the church at Barnet. I was referring to the efficiency of the type of route but in terms of length restrictions I would add St James Street as it stands there now. I know some LTs have operated on Rail Replacement but they and other vehicles constantly ride the kerb and not sure anyone cares about RR to have bothered to test it round there, so I guess any new bus will need to be tested there too. Nothing more than a keyboard driver comment. No bus is that aerodynamic, some may be better than others, but nothing to stop them getting up to a high speed. You never heard the saying, never judge a book by its cover. Obviously, we are not looking to win F1 races here and I have no doubt it will get up to speed but is all about efficiency and every little helps. It may be better, worse or the same but if I were Arriva I would send one of the 307 ES out on the 34 for a day and see how it does and then send out a BZL (if they had one) and see how it does for a day.
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