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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 28, 2024 15:55:37 GMT
EDIT: I do have a feeling the 41 will get Electroliners— if it was getting BZLs, surely it’d have been announced with 243 and 341? Not necessarily, as the 41's tender result came was announced a bit later than the 243/341, and starts its new contract later too. My guess would still be for more BZLs for the 41 for a common fleet, I can only see them getting something else if the BZLs are too long to fit around the route. I wonder if the 196 would struggle with longer buses on the stand at Norwood Junction?
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Jul 28, 2024 15:58:32 GMT
Not necessarily, as the 41's tender result came was announced a bit later than the 243/341, and starts its new contract later too. My guess would still be for more BZLs for the 41 for a common fleet, I can only see them getting something else if the BZLs are too long to fit around the route. I wonder if the 196 would struggle with longer buses on the stand at Norwood Junction? The 196 has used LTs before, and 130 uses 10.9m long MMC around there daily
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 28, 2024 16:37:15 GMT
I wonder if the 196 would struggle with longer buses on the stand at Norwood Junction? The 196 has used LTs before, and 130 uses 10.9m long MMC around there daily I’m surprised the 130 still serves that stop. Should be removed I would say.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 28, 2024 16:48:35 GMT
The 196 has used LTs before, and 130 uses 10.9m long MMC around there daily I’m surprised the 130 still serves that stop. Should be removed I would say. Presumably, to retain interchange with the 196 - personally and I’m probably on my own with this but it has come in quite handy in the past.
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 28, 2024 17:27:19 GMT
EDIT: I do have a feeling the 41 will get Electroliners— if it was getting BZLs, surely it’d have been announced with 243 and 341? Not necessarily, as the 41's tender result came was announced a bit later than the 243/341, and starts its new contract later too. My guess would still be for more BZLs for the 41 for a common fleet, I can only see them getting something else if the BZLs are too long to fit around the route. Perhaps 51 more to also see off the last of the HVs from the 123, perhaps 5 series ex 279 DWs will have their last hurrah on the route so HVs can go to the 66
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Post by PGAT on Jul 28, 2024 19:22:33 GMT
I wonder if the 196 would struggle with longer buses on the stand at Norwood Junction? The 196 has used LTs before, and 130 uses 10.9m long MMC around there daily If the route was being invented today it would never be allowed or pass the route tests
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Jul 28, 2024 19:26:12 GMT
The 196 has used LTs before, and 130 uses 10.9m long MMC around there daily If the route was being invented today it would never be allowed or pass the route tests How not?
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 28, 2024 19:33:55 GMT
If the route was being invented today it would never be allowed or pass the route tests How not? Prsueme as it can't turn right without using the other side of the road ... would have thought that would be an instant failure. I really don't understand why the 130 needs a common stop with the 196, when the 75, 157 & 410 don't. Logic says all or nothing. Nothing like consistency. When you hear of turns that some routes reportedly fail things for, this is a lot worse. I actually pity the Arriva drivers that are going to have to use that stand everyday ... and they have the easy turn off it.
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Post by PGAT on Jul 28, 2024 19:50:37 GMT
Prsueme as it can't turn right without using the other side of the road ... would have thought that would be an instant failure. I really don't understand why the 130 needs a common stop with the 196, when the 75, 157 & 410 don't. Logic says all or nothing. Nothing like consistency. When you hear of turns that some routes reportedly fail things for, this is a lot worse. I actually pity the Arriva drivers that are going to have to use that stand everyday ... and they have the easy turn off it. All of them share a stop westbound and the 410 follows the 196 when turning onto South Norwood Hill
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 28, 2024 19:51:34 GMT
Prsueme as it can't turn right without using the other side of the road ... would have thought that would be an instant failure. I really don't understand why the 130 needs a common stop with the 196, when the 75, 157 & 410 don't. Logic says all or nothing. Nothing like consistency. When you hear of turns that some routes reportedly fail things for, this is a lot worse. I actually pity the Arriva drivers that are going to have to use that stand everyday ... and they have the easy turn off it. Its a one way street so an LT can pass that and do the entire route…
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 28, 2024 19:53:08 GMT
Prsueme as it can't turn right without using the other side of the road ... would have thought that would be an instant failure. I really don't understand why the 130 needs a common stop with the 196, when the 75, 157 & 410 don't. Logic says all or nothing. Nothing like consistency. When you hear of turns that some routes reportedly fail things for, this is a lot worse. I actually pity the Arriva drivers that are going to have to use that stand everyday ... and they have the easy turn off it. All of them share a stop westbound and the 410 follows the 196 when turning onto South Norwood Hill West bound is Croydon direction ... so where for 75 & 157
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 28, 2024 19:55:25 GMT
Prsueme as it can't turn right without using the other side of the road ... would have thought that would be an instant failure. I really don't understand why the 130 needs a common stop with the 196, when the 75, 157 & 410 don't. Logic says all or nothing. Nothing like consistency. When you hear of turns that some routes reportedly fail things for, this is a lot worse. I actually pity the Arriva drivers that are going to have to use that stand everyday ... and they have the easy turn off it. Its a one way street so an LT can pass that and do the entire route… You not seen the parking and driving standards.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 28, 2024 19:56:59 GMT
Its a one way street so an LT can pass that and do the entire route… You not seen the parking and driving standards. Ok I’ll wait until May. Cannot be any worse than the 450
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Post by vjaska on Jul 28, 2024 21:35:17 GMT
All of them share a stop westbound and the 410 follows the 196 when turning onto South Norwood Hill West bound is Croydon direction ... so where for 75 & 157 The 75 & 157 never shared a stop with the 130 previously whereas the 130 did with the 196 when it terminated there - that's enough of a difference. Presumably, TfL felt it was worth it to retain that connection otherwise, as they have done so before, would of not carried on routing into Grosevnor Road
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 28, 2024 21:40:44 GMT
You not seen the parking and driving standards. Ok I’ll wait until May. Cannot be any worse than the 450 May I wish you the best of luck!
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