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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 9, 2024 0:51:52 GMT
Does this latest news release put a question mark against SF being electrified as it is not one of the 3 electrified garages mentioned. Alternatively, a garage could only count as electrified once an electric bus/route operates from there. IIRC it has a substation and some other equipment, but not individual charging leads to buses.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 9, 2024 7:48:44 GMT
And will hopefully also stop the negativity around DX. Stagecoach said that WH would be electrified before it was closed. People then said the same thing about WH being secure. Arriva aren't going to publish that a garage won't be electrified. Not to mention it will all be dependent on tenders and this is the case for any garage, not just DX. If they win the work they'll do so. Indeed, and just because they said this week that they would electrify all 14 garages does not mean that they cannot in the meantime close or divest any of them.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 9, 2024 7:49:43 GMT
Also EC which will only have 158 soon. I personally cannot see EC being electrified for one sole route. The 158 will most likely move to AR if retained but my prediction is it will be lost back to Stagecoach It would be a good fit for LI or T.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 9, 2024 7:51:45 GMT
Stagecoach said that WH would be electrified before it was closed. People then said the same thing about WH being secure. Arriva aren't going to publish that a garage won't be electrified. Not to mention it will all be dependent on tenders and this is the case for any garage, not just DX. If they win the work they'll do so. I mean, it was electrified to be pedantic - the 323 receiving EV buses and associated chargers…. I personally suspect DT, DX and EC will all end up receiving EV buses with associated new tenders. Now DB is gone, from what I hear from people who know their stuff the focus is very much on growth and new work at Arriva - both TfL and non-TfL work, new buses for subsidiaries outside London and new tenders and EV buses in London. I don’t expect the abstention from upcoming franchising in Merseyside and West Yorkshire like there was in Manchester. As well as any change of strategy by I-squared, Arriva are currently major players in Merseyside and West Yorkshire. Their operations in Greater Manchester have been restricted to 2 smaller depots at Wythenshawe and the now closed Bolton.
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Post by eastlondon388 on Nov 9, 2024 10:39:28 GMT
I personally cannot see EC being electrified for one sole route. The 158 will most likely move to AR if retained but my prediction is it will be lost back to Stagecoach It would be a good fit for LI or T. LI maybe, T no chance that garage is full to the brim.
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Post by atb123 on Nov 9, 2024 14:49:08 GMT
It would be a good fit for LI or T. LI maybe, T no chance that garage is full to the brim. Alternatively, they could win both the 123 and 158 from AW and operate there too.
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Post by eastlondon388 on Nov 9, 2024 14:55:36 GMT
LI maybe, T no chance that garage is full to the brim. Alternatively, they could win both the 123 and 158 from AW and operate there too. AW is also full to the brim. Why do you think 20/616 moved?
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Post by ! ALEED on Nov 9, 2024 15:12:50 GMT
LI maybe, T no chance that garage is full to the brim. Alternatively, they could win both the 123 and 158 from AW and operate there too. I personally see the 123 being retained by Arriva using electrics. The 158 on the other hand, I personally hope it goes back home to Stagecoach, not saying Arriva have done a bad job at operating it though. Just seems a bit odd seeing only 1 Arriva route at Stratford, when now it is typically dominated by Blue Triangle and East London.
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Post by eastlondon388 on Nov 9, 2024 15:47:25 GMT
Alternatively, they could win both the 123 and 158 from AW and operate there too. I personally see the 123 being retained by Arriva using electrics. The 158 on the other hand, I personally hope it goes back home to Stagecoach, not saying Arriva have done a bad job at operating it though. Just seems a bit odd seeing only 1 Arriva route at Stratford, when now it is typically dominated by Blue Triangle and East London. Personally I’m the opposite I really hope it gets retained. SLN operated it so badly in the final few years that I was relieved when they lost it. Besides, Arriva in Stratford brings more variety since that area has been losing that year by year.
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Post by ! ALEED on Nov 9, 2024 16:16:53 GMT
I personally see the 123 being retained by Arriva using electrics. The 158 on the other hand, I personally hope it goes back home to Stagecoach, not saying Arriva have done a bad job at operating it though. Just seems a bit odd seeing only 1 Arriva route at Stratford, when now it is typically dominated by Blue Triangle and East London. Personally I’m the opposite I really hope it gets retained. SLN operated it so badly in the final few years that I was relieved when they lost it. Besides, Arriva in Stratford brings more variety since that area has been losing that year by year. That might've been the case, but I think LI could operate the route far better compared to it's previous operation wherever it was before! I have hope that it can be improved!
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Post by WH241 on Nov 9, 2024 17:38:25 GMT
Personally I’m the opposite I really hope it gets retained. SLN operated it so badly in the final few years that I was relieved when they lost it. Besides, Arriva in Stratford brings more variety since that area has been losing that year by year. That might've been the case, but I think LI could operate the route far better compared to it's previous operation wherever it was before! I have hope that it can be improved! The 158 ran out of WH. I don’t remember reading much negativity about the 158 under Stagecoach but others might have had experience of poor service.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 9, 2024 21:23:46 GMT
I personally see the 123 being retained by Arriva using electrics. The 158 on the other hand, I personally hope it goes back home to Stagecoach, not saying Arriva have done a bad job at operating it though. Just seems a bit odd seeing only 1 Arriva route at Stratford, when now it is typically dominated by Blue Triangle and East London. Personally I’m the opposite I really hope it gets retained. SLN operated it so badly in the final few years that I was relieved when they lost it. Besides, Arriva in Stratford brings more variety since that area has been losing that year by year. Stagecoach we're quite poor on the 158, however variety is never a reason to want one route to stay with an operator. I'm sure people would rather good service as opposed to a bus looking a bit different.
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Post by ! ALEED on Nov 9, 2024 21:37:47 GMT
That might've been the case, but I think LI could operate the route far better compared to it's previous operation wherever it was before! I have hope that it can be improved! The 158 ran out of WH. I don’t remember reading much negativity about the 158 under Stagecoach but others might have had experience of poor service. Thanks for letting me know! In terms of the 158, neither do I recall that much people saying that it was a negative operation from Stagecoach.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 9, 2024 22:23:32 GMT
That might've been the case, but I think LI could operate the route far better compared to it's previous operation wherever it was before! I have hope that it can be improved! The 158 ran out of WH. I don’t remember reading much negativity about the 158 under Stagecoach but others might have had experience of poor service. The service at [WH] was rubbish imo and a lot of gaps. Although Arriva had it easier as when they took over the route they had a higher pvr which made it easier to run, only downside with the extra running time means it got regulated a lot.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 9, 2024 22:27:09 GMT
Personally I’m the opposite I really hope it gets retained. SLN operated it so badly in the final few years that I was relieved when they lost it. Besides, Arriva in Stratford brings more variety since that area has been losing that year by year. That might've been the case, but I think LI could operate the route far better compared to it's previous operation wherever it was before! I have hope that it can be improved! The same way how [LI] run W15 fantastically poo
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