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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 9, 2024 22:29:03 GMT
The 158 ran out of WH. I don’t remember reading much negativity about the 158 under Stagecoach but others might have had experience of poor service. Thanks for letting me know! In terms of the 158, neither do I recall that much people saying that it was a negative operation from Stagecoach. Go and check back on past posts here over the years |
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Post by Dad91 on Nov 9, 2024 22:36:45 GMT
Thanks for letting me know! In terms of the 158, neither do I recall that much people saying that it was a negative operation from Stagecoach. Go and check back on past posts here over the years 158 did run out WH. If Stagecoach London wins it back probably be LI T might not have Room for 158 PVR 25 |
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Post by zeremony on Nov 9, 2024 22:47:55 GMT
Go and check back on past posts here over the years 158 did run out WH. If Stagecoach London wins it back probably be LI T might not have Room for 158 PVR 25 Since the 20 moved from AW, T is full to the brim. The 257 is being temporarily moved to LI due to electrification works which shows that it definitely does not have the capacity for a route with a high PVR especially as it has retained the 55 and 56. |
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Post by eastlondon388 on Nov 9, 2024 23:13:02 GMT
The 158 ran out of WH. I don’t remember reading much negativity about the 158 under Stagecoach but others might have had experience of poor service. Thanks for letting me know! In terms of the 158, neither do I recall that much people saying that it was a negative operation from Stagecoach. Well I speak on personal experience. In the final few years of Stagecoach 158 more 2017-19 the service wasn’t great. I would be able to walk from school which was 20 minutes away and there would be no 158 in sight or would be coming as soon as I reach school and this would be near 10 or so minutes from waiting. The 58 would be near full and people would use that than just to make them walk from South Grove. Even someone who had made a video about the last day of 158 said the service had become worse and he is a user of the 158. Nowadays I rarely have an issue like this on Arriva 158 which is the reason I want it to stay as Arriva. |
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Post by CustomTransport277 on Nov 9, 2024 23:40:12 GMT
Alternatively, they could win both the 123 and 158 from AW and operate there too. I personally see the 123 being retained by Arriva using electrics. The 158 on the other hand, I personally hope it goes back home to Stagecoach, not saying Arriva have done a bad job at operating it though. Just seems a bit odd seeing only 1 Arriva route at Stratford, when now it is typically dominated by Blue Triangle and East London. I would only like to see Arriva retain the 158 probably because I have huge bias with oddball operators in London, as imo these kinds of routes certainly make their rare operator presences in unexpected areas interesting and this route is no exception. Same reason as to why I was glad that route 125 was retained with RATP, as I enjoy seeing their rare presence in and around areas of the Enfield borough, far from their territory towards the east of London. Another honourable mention goes to the 367 which I hope Abellio retains in its next contract to continue to give Bromley a fresher flavour from all of the other Go-Ahead and Stagecoach buses running there, as well as addition of two Arriva routes. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 9, 2024 23:40:29 GMT
Go and check back on past posts here over the years 158 did run out WH. If Stagecoach London wins it back probably be LI T might not have Room for 158 PVR 25 I know where it had run from. Even when the route was first taken on by Stagecoach with the new TA's that were delivered without the rear swirls at [SD] the route was better then. But after [BW] then [WH] it gradually got flushed down the toilet. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Nov 9, 2024 23:55:30 GMT
158 did run out WH. If Stagecoach London wins it back probably be LI T might not have Room for 158 PVR 25 I know where it had run from. Even when the route was first taken on by Stagecoach with the new TA's that were delivered without the rear swirls at [SD] the route was better then. But after [BW] then [WH] it gradually got flushed down the toilet. Did the 158 move to BW to replace the 67 in 2006? |
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Post by ! ALEED on Nov 10, 2024 0:59:06 GMT
The 158 ran out of WH. I don’t remember reading much negativity about the 158 under Stagecoach but others might have had experience of poor service. The service at [WH] was rubbish imo and a lot of gaps. Although Arriva had it easier as when they took over the route they had a higher pvr which made it easier to run, only downside with the extra running time means it got regulated a lot. What was the PVR of the route when it was at Stagecoach? |
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Post by DE20106 on Nov 10, 2024 6:17:21 GMT
The service at [WH] was rubbish imo and a lot of gaps. Although Arriva had it easier as when they took over the route they had a higher pvr which made it easier to run, only downside with the extra running time means it got regulated a lot. What was the PVR of the route when it was at Stagecoach? 18 I think, and was when at Arriva too, before its frequency increase to every x6 minutes |
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Post by Dad91 on Nov 10, 2024 8:47:46 GMT
The service at [WH] was rubbish imo and a lot of gaps. Although Arriva had it easier as when they took over the route they had a higher pvr which made it easier to run, only downside with the extra running time means it got regulated a lot. What was the PVR of the route when it was at Stagecoach? if I remember it Arriva London won it PVR 18 then went up PVR 25 now cut back down to PVR 20 |
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Post by mondraker275 on Nov 10, 2024 8:48:14 GMT
What was the PVR of the route when it was at Stagecoach? 18 I think, and was when at Arriva too, before its frequency increase to every x6 minutes Yes. It was 18 at the start of 2019 and increased to 25 in Sept 2020. In that in between period and pre-Covid, the 158 would struggle to remain a good service particularly as the frequency just could not cope with the demand and caused buses to be delayed at stops. Then it became a very good service with the frequency increase to a point I was expecting that there would be a PVR cut in the next contract but in the last year the route has been impacted more by traffic as a result of works and some poor traffic management in the borough which may mean it keeps its PVR. This is similar to when Arriva ran 275. An appalling service but then Stagecoach took over and then got a PVR increase of 3 to help with the route and then it became a reliable route. So people may judge an operator poorly when it might be down to circumstance. The above are examples on both sides for Arriva/Stagecoach. |
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Post by mondraker275 on Nov 10, 2024 8:53:14 GMT
What was the PVR of the route when it was at Stagecoach? if I remember it Arriva London won it PVR 18 then went up PVR 25 now cut back down to PVR 20 There has not been a PVR cut. A cut of that much would have resulted in a frequency decrease. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 10, 2024 11:43:41 GMT
I know where it had run from. Even when the route was first taken on by Stagecoach with the new TA's that were delivered without the rear swirls at [SD] the route was better then. But after [BW] then [WH] it gradually got flushed down the toilet. Did the 158 move to BW to replace the 67 in 2006? IIRC it did. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Nov 10, 2024 12:15:51 GMT
Did the 158 move to BW to replace the 67 in 2006? IIRC it did. I thought as much. I did find it interesting seeing the tridents from the 15 and 8 on the 158 with their big screens at the front ploughing through Leyton High Road around 2007. I still remembered those H-reg Olympians on that route. Now that was one route that was not loved for years. The 341 Olympians did their bit to give it some sort of decency around 2003/04 |
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 10, 2024 12:32:42 GMT
158 did run out WH. If Stagecoach London wins it back probably be LI T might not have Room for 158 PVR 25 I know where it had run from. Even when the route was first taken on by Stagecoach with the new TA's that were delivered without the rear swirls at [SD] the route was better then. But after [BW] then [WH] it gradually got flushed down the toilet. Was SD also known as WA (Waterden Road, near where there used to be the huge Sunday market) or was it a different garage? |
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