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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 29, 2021 21:40:39 GMT
This discussion has stemmed in from TFL answering VMH2537s FOI regarding discussions surrounding TFL looking into Highgate/Muswell Hill, and they mentioned that the 24/603 were being looked into. I then bought up that I have previously read somewhere suggestions about diverting the 268 to Muswell Hill, which could potentially involve the 24 perhaps replacing the link into GG. So the 268 would replace the 603 basically to go to Muswell Hill and the 24 would replace the current 268 link between Hampstead and Golders Green. In terms of the 102/144 the 102 will still continue to Brent Cross but via Wood Green instead of Bounds Green whilst the 144 goes via Bounds Green but would still terminate at Muswell Hill. Am I correct? Yes but neither are confirmed. The 102/144 I'm most unsure on but given its been mentioned they're both under the microscope and I've heard previously about a potential swap in routings then I'm only going off of that.
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Post by COBO on Dec 29, 2021 23:09:10 GMT
48: new route running between North Finchley and Ealing Broadway via 112 to Hanger Lane and route 483 to Ealing Broadway. Using electric double deckers. Maintain links lost by 112. 112: withdrawn between Hangers Lane and North Finchley, Diverted to Hammersmith via route 226 to Central Middlesex Hospital, 228 to East Acton and 283 to Hammersmith. To assist the 226, to maintain links lost by the 228 and to link Central Middlesex, Charing Cross and Central Middlesex Hospitals. 228: withdrawn between Uxbridge Road and Central Middlesex Hospital. Diverted to Acton Vale via route 207. 283: discontinued.
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Post by busman on Dec 30, 2021 10:45:42 GMT
There are so many permutations if the 102 and 144 are altered, with different opportunities arising. I suspect the impact could be far reaching beyond Muswell Hill and Highgate. My suggestions: 43 - Extended to North Finchley. No change to frequency (!) 46 - Withdrawn 102 - Diverted at Muswell Hill to Camden Town via route 134. No change to frequency. 134 - Withdrawn 144 - Extended to Brent Cross via route 102 268 – Diverted at Swiss Cottage and extended to Paddington via route 46. No change to frequency, potentially review for double deck conversion (not sure if there are any restrictions preventing this from happening). New route – Muswell Hill to St Barts Hospital – Via route 603 to Swiss Cottage, then route 268 to Belsize Park, route 168 into Hampstead Heath Station, then via route 46 to St Barts Hospital. Single Deck, matching frequency of the 46. 603 - Withdrawn I've thrown a grenade into the north London network, now ducking for cover
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Dec 30, 2021 10:54:11 GMT
There are so many permutations if the 102 and 144 are altered, with different opportunities arising. I suspect the impact could be far reaching beyond Highgate. My suggestions: 43 - Extended to North Finchley. No change to frequency (!) 46 - Withdrawn 102 - Diverted at Muswell Hill to Camden Town via route 134. No change to frequency. 134 - Withdrawn 144 - Extended to Brent Cross via route 102 268 – Diverted at Swiss Cottage and extended to Paddington via route 46. No change to frequency, potentially review for double deck conversion (not sure if there are any restrictions preventing this from happening). New route – Muswell Hill to St Barts Hospital – Via route 603 to Swiss Cottage, then route 268 to Belsize Park, route 168 into Hampstead Heath Station, then via route 46 to St Barts Hospital. Single Deck, matching frequency of the 46. 603 - Withdrawn I've thrown a grenade into the north London network, now ducking for cover I'd use number 46 for the new route. Other than that I like your ideas. Maybe the 43 could be increased slightly, especially if the 271 cut goes ahead.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 30, 2021 11:02:13 GMT
There are so many permutations if the 102 and 144 are altered, with different opportunities arising. I suspect the impact could be far reaching beyond Muswell Hill and Highgate. My suggestions: 43 - Extended to North Finchley. No change to frequency (!) 46 - Withdrawn 102 - Diverted at Muswell Hill to Camden Town via route 134. No change to frequency. 134 - Withdrawn 144 - Extended to Brent Cross via route 102 268 – Diverted at Swiss Cottage and extended to Paddington via route 46. No change to frequency, potentially review for double deck conversion (not sure if there are any restrictions preventing this from happening). New route – Muswell Hill to St Barts Hospital – Via route 603 to Swiss Cottage, then route 268 to Belsize Park, route 168 into Hampstead Heath Station, then via route 46 to St Barts Hospital. Single Deck, matching frequency of the 46. 603 - Withdrawn I've thrown a grenade into the north London network, now ducking for cover tenor.com/view/aretha-franklin-pass-on-gif-10686230
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 30, 2021 11:03:23 GMT
There are so many permutations if the 102 and 144 are altered, with different opportunities arising. I suspect the impact could be far reaching beyond Highgate. My suggestions: 43 - Extended to North Finchley. No change to frequency (!) 46 - Withdrawn 102 - Diverted at Muswell Hill to Camden Town via route 134. No change to frequency. 134 - Withdrawn 144 - Extended to Brent Cross via route 102 268 – Diverted at Swiss Cottage and extended to Paddington via route 46. No change to frequency, potentially review for double deck conversion (not sure if there are any restrictions preventing this from happening). New route – Muswell Hill to St Barts Hospital – Via route 603 to Swiss Cottage, then route 268 to Belsize Park, route 168 into Hampstead Heath Station, then via route 46 to St Barts Hospital. Single Deck, matching frequency of the 46. 603 - Withdrawn I've thrown a grenade into the north London network, now ducking for cover I'd use number 46 for the new route. Other than that I like your ideas. Maybe the 43 could be increased slightly, especially if the 271 cut goes ahead. You would probably have to increase the 43 a lot if that were to take place!
I think this proposal is a bit of a silly idea but there we are.
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Post by VMH2537 on Dec 30, 2021 11:14:06 GMT
There are so many permutations if the 102 and 144 are altered, with different opportunities arising. I suspect the impact could be far reaching beyond Muswell Hill and Highgate. My suggestions: 43 - Extended to North Finchley. No change to frequency (!) 46 - Withdrawn 102 - Diverted at Muswell Hill to Camden Town via route 134. No change to frequency. 134 - Withdrawn 144 - Extended to Brent Cross via route 102 268 – Diverted at Swiss Cottage and extended to Paddington via route 46. No change to frequency, potentially review for double deck conversion (not sure if there are any restrictions preventing this from happening). New route – Muswell Hill to St Barts Hospital – Via route 603 to Swiss Cottage, then route 268 to Belsize Park, route 168 into Hampstead Heath Station, then via route 46 to St Barts Hospital. Single Deck, matching frequency of the 46. Potential to reduce depending on current demand in the section between St Barts and Swiss Cottage 603 - Withdrawn I've thrown a grenade into the north London network, now ducking for cover The axing of the 134 will result in a loss of capacity from the Colney Hatch Lane / Muswell Hill areas that feed onto Highgate tube station. Both the 43 and the 134 get regularly full to deck at peak hours feeding to Highgate that will damage established links on the routing. If there were to be a reduction on the 134 at current levels, I can see the N134 being axed.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 30, 2021 11:17:19 GMT
The axing of the 134 will result in a loss of capacity from the Colney Hatch Lane / Muswell Hill areas that feed onto Highgate tube station. Both the 43 and the 134 get regularly full to deck at peak hours feeding to Highgate that will damage established links on the routing. If there were to be a reduction on the 134 at current levels, I can see the N134 being axed. You're right on the bottom statement, as I've said North London desperately needs a night review. Some areas with no night service and some with too many.
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Post by mkay315 on Dec 30, 2021 11:31:11 GMT
There are so many permutations if the 102 and 144 are altered, with different opportunities arising. I suspect the impact could be far reaching beyond Muswell Hill and Highgate. My suggestions: 43 - Extended to North Finchley. No change to frequency (!) 46 - Withdrawn 102 - Diverted at Muswell Hill to Camden Town via route 134. No change to frequency. 134 - Withdrawn 144 - Extended to Brent Cross via route 102 268 – Diverted at Swiss Cottage and extended to Paddington via route 46. No change to frequency, potentially review for double deck conversion (not sure if there are any restrictions preventing this from happening). New route – Muswell Hill to St Barts Hospital – Via route 603 to Swiss Cottage, then route 268 to Belsize Park, route 168 into Hampstead Heath Station, then via route 46 to St Barts Hospital. Single Deck, matching frequency of the 46. 603 - Withdrawn I've thrown a grenade into the north London network, now ducking for cover tenor.com/view/aretha-franklin-pass-on-gif-10686230😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by mkay315 on Dec 30, 2021 11:32:31 GMT
There are so many permutations if the 102 and 144 are altered, with different opportunities arising. I suspect the impact could be far reaching beyond Muswell Hill and Highgate. My suggestions: 43 - Extended to North Finchley. No change to frequency (!) 46 - Withdrawn 102 - Diverted at Muswell Hill to Camden Town via route 134. No change to frequency. 134 - Withdrawn 144 - Extended to Brent Cross via route 102 268 – Diverted at Swiss Cottage and extended to Paddington via route 46. No change to frequency, potentially review for double deck conversion (not sure if there are any restrictions preventing this from happening). New route – Muswell Hill to St Barts Hospital – Via route 603 to Swiss Cottage, then route 268 to Belsize Park, route 168 into Hampstead Heath Station, then via route 46 to St Barts Hospital. Single Deck, matching frequency of the 46. 603 - Withdrawn I've thrown a grenade into the north London network, now ducking for cover INCOMING!!!!!!!
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Post by YX10FFN on Dec 30, 2021 15:09:03 GMT
I know I've complained a lot about the 110's new routing on here, so I've just thought of a potential solution to make the service more reliable.
I propose cutting the 110 back to Turnham Green Church. This would be replaced by rerouting the 218 via Acton Lane, Acton Green and Chiswick Park to run down Chiswick High Road to Hammersmith.
This would serve a new section of Acton Lane, and roughly reinstate a few links from West Acton to previous 440 destinations. Having the 218 serve Acton Lane would bring a much better bus service to a densely populated area of South Acton which currently only has a long walk to the 94 or E3. It would also reinstate the round the corner link between Acton Green and Chiswick High Road.
The old 266 routing would be worked by extending the 306 to Acton Town Centre and having it serve that section alone. I've not seen enough demand to justify having both the 218 and 306 work that section, particularly if one is only going as far as Acton Vale.
I recognise that the 110 cut is rather severe, however from my perspective being served by a unique section of the 110, eastbound demand from Kew by and large only goes as far as Chiswick, as the District Line serves points further east. The 110 does pick up decent loads between Turnham Green and Hammersmith, which will simply be passed on to the 218.
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Post by greenboy on Dec 30, 2021 19:37:48 GMT
There are so many permutations if the 102 and 144 are altered, with different opportunities arising. I suspect the impact could be far reaching beyond Muswell Hill and Highgate. My suggestions: 43 - Extended to North Finchley. No change to frequency (!) 46 - Withdrawn 102 - Diverted at Muswell Hill to Camden Town via route 134. No change to frequency. 134 - Withdrawn 144 - Extended to Brent Cross via route 102 268 – Diverted at Swiss Cottage and extended to Paddington via route 46. No change to frequency, potentially review for double deck conversion (not sure if there are any restrictions preventing this from happening). New route – Muswell Hill to St Barts Hospital – Via route 603 to Swiss Cottage, then route 268 to Belsize Park, route 168 into Hampstead Heath Station, then via route 46 to St Barts Hospital. Single Deck, matching frequency of the 46. 603 - Withdrawn I've thrown a grenade into the north London network, now ducking for cover These ideas seem quite reasonable to me if the 43 and 234 are adequate north of Muswell Hill? It might be better retaining the 134 number and retiring the 102? The new route might be better going via Adelaide Road and the C11 route to serve Swiss Cottage better with the C11 going via Belize Avenue?
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 30, 2021 21:21:46 GMT
There are so many permutations if the 102 and 144 are altered, with different opportunities arising. I suspect the impact could be far reaching beyond Muswell Hill and Highgate. My suggestions: 43 - Extended to North Finchley. No change to frequency (!) 46 - Withdrawn 102 - Diverted at Muswell Hill to Camden Town via route 134. No change to frequency. 134 - Withdrawn 144 - Extended to Brent Cross via route 102 268 – Diverted at Swiss Cottage and extended to Paddington via route 46. No change to frequency, potentially review for double deck conversion (not sure if there are any restrictions preventing this from happening). New route – Muswell Hill to St Barts Hospital – Via route 603 to Swiss Cottage, then route 268 to Belsize Park, route 168 into Hampstead Heath Station, then via route 46 to St Barts Hospital. Single Deck, matching frequency of the 46. 603 - Withdrawn I've thrown a grenade into the north London network, now ducking for cover These ideas seem quite reasonable to me if the 43 and 234 are adequate north of Muswell Hill? It might be better retaining the 134 number and retiring the 102? The new route might be better going via Adelaide Road and the C11 route to serve Swiss Cottage better with the C11 going via Belize Avenue? Don't know whether the C11 should be thrown into this but unfortunately in regards to the 46 change this is the issue I'm afraid and that is it is quite a difficult route to split in terms of routings being retained & I don't imagine if the new service to Muswell Hill requires an 8 minute long SD frequency if it were to be retained on current frequencies, it suits a 15-20 minute frequency more. I'd call that a waste of resources.
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Post by aaron1 on Dec 30, 2021 21:42:38 GMT
I all ways wounded what it look like if 112 went to Osterley Tesco and with North Finchley bit to I wounded how long it would take from Osterley Tesco to North Finchley Same thing with the 316 if it keep the Brent Park Tesco bit so the 316 would be Brent Park Tesco to White City
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Post by snowman on Dec 31, 2021 6:32:54 GMT
I all ways wounded what it look like if 112 went to Osterley Tesco and with North Finchley bit to I wounded how long it would take from Osterley Tesco to North Finchley Same thing with the 316 if it keep the Brent Park Tesco bit so the 316 would be Brent Park Tesco to White City There are plans to Extend E1 to Osterley (when Elizabeth line opens) But remember that 1677 apartments are planned for the site at Tesco, Tesco are moving to redeveloped Homebase site at nearby Gillette Corner www.mylondon.news/news/west-london-news/tower-blocks-approved-osterley-homebase-20355613
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