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Post by britishguy54 on Feb 23, 2024 16:48:44 GMT
This forum is very balanced towards South London isn't anyone from West London a member!!! I think some people just see South London routes as more of a necessity to submit ideas for. As someone from East London, it does feel a bit dead here sometimes. Especially with East London as there’s quite literally less room to work with (I.e. The River Thames and the lack of river crossings).
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Post by vjaska on Feb 23, 2024 17:24:49 GMT
This forum is very balanced towards South London isn't anyone from West London a member!!! I see you haven't taken on board any advice given to you do considering you do this every single time you pop on here - no one is stopping you from starting up a conversation about West London and there are several members from Hounslow, Ealing & Greenford areas on here or thereabouts.
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Post by borneobus on Feb 24, 2024 2:23:25 GMT
This forum is very balanced towards South London isn't anyone from West London a member!!! I see you haven't taken on board any advice given to you do considering you do this every single time you pop on here - no one is stopping you from starting up a conversation about West London and there are several members from Hounslow, Ealing & Greenford areas on here or thereabouts. ...and there are forum members in Hillingdon, that's very West London and probably wrong place for a conversation but it was good to see that last Saturday TfL recognising the importance of U3 to both Heathrow workers and travelers. Route U3 additional early morning journeys from Saturday 17 February 2024 Route U3 will have a new timetable from Saturday 17 February.
New journeys will be introduced departing from Uxbridge Station for Heathrow Airport Central Bus Station at 0320, 0340 and 0400 on Monday to Fridays and at 0320 and 0350 on Saturdays and Sundays.
New journeys will be introduced departing from Heathrow Airport Central Bus Station for Uxbridge Station at 0410, 0430 and 0450 on Monday to Fridays and at 0410 and 0440 on Saturdays and Sundays.
Route U3 will continue to run every 12 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and every 20 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays.
The new departure times can be found in our journey planner tool www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 24, 2024 7:33:08 GMT
Some routes in West London that should ideally be converted to full double deck operation (can be restructured a bit to enable full conversion if needed)
33,95,112,195,232,350,440,487,490,493,E7.
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 24, 2024 7:54:27 GMT
This forum is very balanced towards South London isn't anyone from West London a member!!! I’ve said this to you many times before. If you want to talk about your area, go ahead and do so, and I’m sure people will comment. I tend not to talk about your area because I know little about it. There is no point complaining!
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 24, 2024 10:08:49 GMT
Some proposed changes around the Loughton area to routes 167,397 & 549 (soon to be W14):
167: Rerouted between Buckhurst Hill & Loughton via current 549 routing. By avoiding the low bridge near Loughton station this enables the route to convert to double deck operation.
397 & 549/W14: Rerouted between Loughton & Debden via Roding Road & Loughton Way to maintain links lost by the 167 rerouting. High Road is covered by rerouted 167 & existing 20. 397 to run down Palmerston Road back to LOR.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Feb 24, 2024 10:31:36 GMT
I see you haven't taken on board any advice given to you do considering you do this every single time you pop on here - no one is stopping you from starting up a conversation about West London and there are several members from Hounslow, Ealing & Greenford areas on here or thereabouts. ...and there are forum members in Hillingdon, that's very West London and probably wrong place for a conversation but it was good to see that last Saturday TfL recognising the importance of U3 to both Heathrow workers and travelers. Route U3 additional early morning journeys from Saturday 17 February 2024 Route U3 will have a new timetable from Saturday 17 February.
New journeys will be introduced departing from Uxbridge Station for Heathrow Airport Central Bus Station at 0320, 0340 and 0400 on Monday to Fridays and at 0320 and 0350 on Saturdays and Sundays.
New journeys will be introduced departing from Heathrow Airport Central Bus Station for Uxbridge Station at 0410, 0430 and 0450 on Monday to Fridays and at 0410 and 0440 on Saturdays and Sundays.
Route U3 will continue to run every 12 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and every 20 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays.
The new departure times can be found in our journey planner tool www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journeyInteresting - now there is only 2hrs 19mins between the last journey into Uxbridge and first journey out of Uxbridge. Only routes to beat this are 490 (1hr 55mins at Richmond POTP), 482 (1hr 40mins at Southall) and 423 (1hr 59mins at AV). Of routes not serving Heathrow route 154 (2hrs 28mins at West Croydon), 473 (2hrs 41mins at North Woolwich) and 141 (2hrs 41mins at Palmers Green) seem to be the shortest three. 58, 104, 118, 170, 259, 262 also quite short.
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Post by ADH45258 on Feb 24, 2024 12:49:36 GMT
Some proposed changes around the Loughton area to routes 167,397 & 549 (soon to be W14): 167: Rerouted between Buckhurst Hill & Loughton via current 549 routing. By avoiding the low bridge near Loughton station this enables the route to convert to double deck operation. 397 & 549/W14: Rerouted between Loughton & Debden via Roding Road & Loughton Way to maintain links lost by the 167 rerouting. High Road is covered by rerouted 167 & existing 20. 397 to run down Palmerston Road back to LOR. If you swap the 167/397 routeings, you could probably then just cut the revised W14 back to Buckhurst Hill Station. Savings made here could them allow a higher frequency on the W14, maybe to every 30 mins?
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Post by abellion on Feb 24, 2024 12:57:22 GMT
...and there are forum members in Hillingdon, that's very West London and probably wrong place for a conversation but it was good to see that last Saturday TfL recognising the importance of U3 to both Heathrow workers and travelers. Route U3 additional early morning journeys from Saturday 17 February 2024 Route U3 will have a new timetable from Saturday 17 February.
New journeys will be introduced departing from Uxbridge Station for Heathrow Airport Central Bus Station at 0320, 0340 and 0400 on Monday to Fridays and at 0320 and 0350 on Saturdays and Sundays.
New journeys will be introduced departing from Heathrow Airport Central Bus Station for Uxbridge Station at 0410, 0430 and 0450 on Monday to Fridays and at 0410 and 0440 on Saturdays and Sundays.
Route U3 will continue to run every 12 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and every 20 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays.
The new departure times can be found in our journey planner tool www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journeyInteresting - now there is only 2hrs 19mins between the last journey into Uxbridge and first journey out of Uxbridge. Only routes to beat this are 490 (1hr 55mins at Richmond POTP), 482 (1hr 40mins at Southall) and 423 (1hr 59mins at AV). Of routes not serving Heathrow route 154 (2hrs 28mins at West Croydon), 473 (2hrs 41mins at North Woolwich) and 141 (2hrs 41mins at Palmers Green) seem to be the shortest three. 58, 104, 118, 170, 259, 262 also quite short. I think the 118 beats out your top three non-Heathrow routes from Morden.
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Post by londonbuses on Feb 24, 2024 13:46:56 GMT
Some routes in West London that should ideally be converted to full double deck operation (can be restructured a bit to enable full conversion if needed) 33,95,112,195,232,350,440,487,490,493,E7. Agree with most of them - the 33, 95, 195, 350, 440 and E7 can all be done without any problem. The 490 and R70 would have to swap stands in Richmond once the Manor Circus works are complete, and the 112 would have to be diverted away from Madeley Road. The 232 would probably need a more major restructuring. The 493 is probably the one that can't be decked - I suspect the residents in Southfields wouldn't be happy, and I wonder if double deckers would be allowed round the St George's Hospital loop. It would also cause issues during Wimbledon (the Championships) as it wouldn't be able to use the back roads to divert away from Church Road. It definitely does need a frequency increase (from 5bph to 6bph) though as the route can be incredibly overcrowded. I'd add the 290, 293 and 371 to your list too.
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Post by gwiwer on Feb 24, 2024 14:00:12 GMT
This forum is very balanced towards South London isn't anyone from West London a member!!! Perhaps there are no obvious changes needed in that region right now? I tend to only comment on those areas I really know about in terms of demand patterns, road restrictions etc. Which reminds me ..... 33 really should revert to DD operation and while doing so can take a slight reduction in PVR. Costs saved include a few vehicles, drivers and fuel whilst capacity would actually improve. It has been said here before that the reason it is not DD now (given that Hammersmith Bridge is not an issue) is the NIMBYs in North Barnes who seem to object to (empty) DDs turning around their block in case anyone should see into their upstairs windows. Fake news in my opinion but local public opinion can be very persuasive. There are enough spare LTs - a type already running from FW therefore familiar there - to cover the service and if it ever does go back to Hammersmith Bus Station via the bridge we can deal with any ongoing restrictions when that time comes. The curious loop to reach the garage terminal from Twickenham is largely a factor of operational requirements; the 33 provides the only link along Waldegrave Road so cannot be re-routed away from there without replacement. If you want a more direct option use the 267, 281, 290 or R70. There is nothing to be gained by swapping the 33 and 267 through the area; you merely exchange LORs for no saving or practical purpose. The others cannot sensibly be rerouted via Waldegrave Road. I remain of the opinion that the 110 changes of a couple of years ago have been a dis-service to those at the Hounslow / Twickenham end of the route who lost long-standing links. The original intention had been to replace the 969 but owing to one-way working and the inability to make right-turns across Chertsey Road this was dropped. The 969 remains quite well supported.
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 24, 2024 22:18:33 GMT
Some proposed changes around the Loughton area to routes 167,397 & 549 (soon to be W14): 167: Rerouted between Buckhurst Hill & Loughton via current 549 routing. By avoiding the low bridge near Loughton station this enables the route to convert to double deck operation. 397 & 549/W14: Rerouted between Loughton & Debden via Roding Road & Loughton Way to maintain links lost by the 167 rerouting. High Road is covered by rerouted 167 & existing 20. 397 to run down Palmerston Road back to LOR. If you swap the 167/397 routeings, you could probably then just cut the revised W14 back to Buckhurst Hill Station. Savings made here could them allow a higher frequency on the W14, maybe to every 30 mins? Yeah that’s not a bad shout, the revised W14 does just parallel the central line anyway. I think decking the 167 is quite beneficial mainly on the Ilford-Barkingside corridor that can get quite busy even with the 128/150 around. The 397 rerouting via Buckhurst Hill also introduces new links from there towards the Chingford area.
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 24, 2024 22:26:08 GMT
Some routes in West London that should ideally be converted to full double deck operation (can be restructured a bit to enable full conversion if needed) 33,95,112,195,232,350,440,487,490,493,E7. Agree with most of them - the 33, 95, 195, 350, 440 and E7 can all be done without any problem. The 490 and R70 would have to swap stands in Richmond once the Manor Circus works are complete, and the 112 would have to be diverted away from Madeley Road. The 232 would probably need a more major restructuring. The 493 is probably the one that can't be decked - I suspect the residents in Southfields wouldn't be happy, and I wonder if double deckers would be allowed round the St George's Hospital loop. It would also cause issues during Wimbledon (the Championships) as it wouldn't be able to use the back roads to divert away from Church Road. It definitely does need a frequency increase (from 5bph to 6bph) though as the route can be incredibly overcrowded. I'd add the 290, 293 and 371 to your list too. Yeah the 493 might be too difficult to deck but a frequency increase would be very useful. The 170 can be added to the list as well its frequency cut it got was absurd. Perhaps swap the 87/170 termini after Wandsworth?
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Post by vjaska on Feb 25, 2024 0:21:42 GMT
Agree with most of them - the 33, 95, 195, 350, 440 and E7 can all be done without any problem. The 490 and R70 would have to swap stands in Richmond once the Manor Circus works are complete, and the 112 would have to be diverted away from Madeley Road. The 232 would probably need a more major restructuring. The 493 is probably the one that can't be decked - I suspect the residents in Southfields wouldn't be happy, and I wonder if double deckers would be allowed round the St George's Hospital loop. It would also cause issues during Wimbledon (the Championships) as it wouldn't be able to use the back roads to divert away from Church Road. It definitely does need a frequency increase (from 5bph to 6bph) though as the route can be incredibly overcrowded. I'd add the 290, 293 and 371 to your list too. Yeah the 493 might be too difficult to deck but a frequency increase would be very useful. The 170 can be added to the list as well its frequency cut it got was absurd. Perhaps swap the 87/170 termini after Wandsworth? The 170 can't be decked because of the low bridge on Lombard Road in Battersea and swapping the 87 & 170 west of Wandsworth would screw up the 87's reliability because of the traffic choked West Hill in conjunction with the 87 serving Central London whereas the 170's routing is better built to cope even with the traffic on Lombard Road & Battersea Bridge
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Post by Dad91 on Feb 25, 2024 4:04:48 GMT
Agree with most of them - the 33, 95, 195, 350, 440 and E7 can all be done without any problem. The 490 and R70 would have to swap stands in Richmond once the Manor Circus works are complete, and the 112 would have to be diverted away from Madeley Road. The 232 would probably need a more major restructuring. The 493 is probably the one that can't be decked - I suspect the residents in Southfields wouldn't be happy, and I wonder if double deckers would be allowed round the St George's Hospital loop. It would also cause issues during Wimbledon (the Championships) as it wouldn't be able to use the back roads to divert away from Church Road. It definitely does need a frequency increase (from 5bph to 6bph) though as the route can be incredibly overcrowded. I'd add the 290, 293 and 371 to your list too. Yeah the 493 might be too difficult to deck but a frequency increase would be very useful. The 170 can be added to the list as well its frequency cut it got was absurd. Perhaps swap the 87/170 termini after Wandsworth? few days ago I was on 95 TE going towards Southall plus 105 and 95 follows each other to Southall no issue same for 195 440 was decker COVID times few year ago saw VW turning right into Madeley Road I believe it's down to operators and TFL to make them deckers
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