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Post by redbus on Oct 9, 2020 18:23:02 GMT
I was on board the last N3 to Central London on a Sunday morning a couple of weeks back, and it was standing room only downstairs with people sitting next to each other upstairs. To be fair to Abellio, such journeys are vital at that time in the morning, nobody is in that bus for fun. Perhaps duplicates need to be run to cover journeys like that known to be very busy, with little options other than make passengers wait up to 30 mins in the very early morning . Yes I understand that and I've seen buses of various operators that are clearly carrying more than the covid limit, ideally there would be duplicate buses on busy journeys but it all comes down to finance. And what is the cost of someone catching Covid-19, being unable to work, self-isolating, and maybe landing up in intensive care or worse?
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Post by greenboy on Oct 9, 2020 18:33:52 GMT
Yes I understand that and I've seen buses of various operators that are clearly carrying more than the covid limit, ideally there would be duplicate buses on busy journeys but it all comes down to finance. And what is the cost of someone catching Covid-19, being unable to work, self-isolating, and maybe landing up in intensive care or worse? Which is why I've stayed off public transport unless my journey is essential..... and it's why the mayor has been trying to encourage walking and cycling.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 19:17:29 GMT
I was on board the last N3 to Central London on a Sunday morning a couple of weeks back, and it was standing room only downstairs with people sitting next to each other upstairs. To be fair to Abellio, such journeys are vital at that time in the morning, nobody is in that bus for fun. Perhaps duplicates need to be run to cover journeys like that known to be very busy, with little options other than make passengers wait up to 30 mins in the very early morning . Yes I understand that and I've seen buses of various operators that are clearly carrying more than the covid limit, ideally there would be duplicate buses on busy journeys but it all comes down to finance. TfL really should start looking at reducing PVRs slightly on the less busy routes to allow buses to be used on the busier routes. They should also consider introducing short workings to allow buses to be used on the busiest section.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 15, 2021 13:30:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 13:41:42 GMT
Actually glad routes are mainly having timetable reductions instead of whole routes cut (sorry to disappoint anyone on the route ideas threads ) at least if routes are maintained they can always be increased in the future once we are in a better position.
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Post by TB123 on Jan 15, 2021 13:53:59 GMT
Honestly quite thankful to read that as the rumour I heard was a seven percent cut. To me personally it'd make more sense for those savings to be facilitated within a restructuring of the central network, though if done on a just a frequency basis it does allow room for changes to be easily made if demand recovers.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 15, 2021 14:32:51 GMT
Looks like according to the tender results the 49 and 344 are already being reduced so they may be some of the 25 routes.
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Post by TB123 on Jan 15, 2021 14:36:37 GMT
Looks like according to the tender results the 49 and 344 are already being reduced so they may be some of the 25 routes. Four percent cut works out to be about 300 buses. 49 and 344 are 3% of that!
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Post by TB123 on Jan 15, 2021 15:18:03 GMT
Honestly quite thankful to read that as the rumour I heard was a seven percent cut. To me personally it'd make more sense for those savings to be facilitated within a restructuring of the central network, though if done on a just a frequency basis it does allow room for changes to be easily made if demand recovers. Confirmation that yet another restructuring of the central London network is planned for this year in addition to further tweaks in outer London. Expectation of a 15% fall in demand for buses in central London and a 1-2% increase in outer London based on their 'hybrid' modelling.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 15, 2021 16:02:24 GMT
Why do I feel like there is a spin Dr out there trying to come up with a way to re sell the 11, 19, 22, 311 changes. Maybe a new route 10 from Finsbury Park to Holborn and route 19 re structured to operate from Sloane Square to Streatham Hill and route 319 withdrawn.
Note: Before someone starts talking about the technicalities of why these changes can't happen, this was just a tongue in cheek was of saying how a spin Dr works.
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Post by TB123 on Jan 15, 2021 16:13:09 GMT
Why do I feel like there is a spin Dr out there trying to come up with a way to re sell the 11, 19, 22, 311 changes. Maybe a new route 10 from Finsbury Park to Holborn and route 19 re structured to operate from Sloane Square to Streatham Hill and route 319 withdrawn. Note: Before someone starts talking about the technicalities of why these changes can't happen, this was just a tongue in cheek was of saying how a spin Dr works. A 4% reduction, said to mainly be achieved through central London changes looks like taking out about 300PVR.......they'll need a very good spin doctor to make that look good! Especially given the last restructuring only took out about 60 PVR. Big big changes and pruning's ahead I suspect.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 15, 2021 16:17:41 GMT
300 PVR reduction also cannot be achieved by just freq reductions so they may need a team of spin Dr's
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Post by TB123 on Jan 15, 2021 16:20:50 GMT
300 PVR reduction also cannot be achieved by just freq reductions so they may need a team of spin Dr's TfL have already confirmed restructuring of the network in central London will take place over the course of 2021 and 2022 - I'm told several schemes have already been drawn up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 16:21:43 GMT
Waits for someone to suggest a cut to the 25!
Will be a lot of spare buses after this is done. Does TfL have to compensate operators for spare buses if frequency is cut to a route?
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Post by TB123 on Jan 15, 2021 16:24:38 GMT
Waits for someone to suggest a cut to the 25! Will be a lot of spare buses after this is done. Does TfL have to compensate operators for spare buses if frequency is cut to a route? TfL will issue a mini-spec for any major changes if done outside of a tender change and negotiate any revised costings with the operator. Utilising spare buses would be down to the operator given fleet management is an operator responsibility, though of course, it may be operators put forward options for utilisation of surplus fleet to TfL, eg double decking a route.
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