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Post by lazy_eye_metaphor on Mar 4, 2021 12:48:16 GMT
Got a feeling the 25 new electrics for the 160 and 180 will get switched to the 47 and 53 for environmental reasons.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 4, 2021 13:03:00 GMT
Got a feeling the 25 new electrics for the 160 and 180 will get switched to the 47 and 53 for environmental reasons. That won’t happen as the mayor’s whole mantra is to invest in Outer London so it wouldn’t look great if these were moved to the 47 or 53 which are Inner London routes. Also, no route tendered for electrics has seen their electrics move to another route apart from the 616 which will see its 2 on order examples be used on the 20 - that was only a thing when hybrids were being ordered and they needed to contribute them to corridors before the whole green corridor & emission upgrade programs occurred.
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 4, 2021 13:13:19 GMT
Got a feeling the 25 new electrics for the 160 and 180 will get switched to the 47 and 53 for environmental reasons. The 47 and 53 already have low-emission hybrid vehicles which meet the TfL requirement for buses used on its contracted services within the Central London ULEZ to be hybrid or zero-emission. The additional environmental impact of diverting electrics intended for another route will be minimal.
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Post by dlroper on Mar 4, 2021 21:06:55 GMT
Yes plus I haven't photographed the 53 properly yet so there's no way that can happen .................. ;-)
Seeing your strapline - in 1983 I worked at BR's Lewisham Electrical Control Room with George Francis (now deceased) who was the Father of one of those lads killed - VERY sobering to hear him talk of it
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Post by snowman on Mar 19, 2021 7:59:48 GMT
Got a feeling the 25 new electrics for the 160 and 180 will get switched to the 47 and 53 for environmental reasons. Unlikely to switch routes, but fleet numbers now confirmed as 14148-14172
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 19, 2021 9:19:02 GMT
I doubt that aswell. The only slim possibility would be to put them all into one garage (TL) with the 180 having a full hybrid allocation if tfl are maybe finding he costs high of upgrading two garages for two routes.
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 19, 2021 9:43:57 GMT
I doubt that aswell. The only slim possibility would be to put them all into one garage (TL) with the 180 having a full hybrid allocation if tfl are maybe finding he costs high of upgrading two garages for two routes. I doubt that would happen either. Stagecoach would have taken into account the costs of electrifying the garages when submitting the bid and TfL would have accepted it on that basis. This isn't the first time Stagecoach has split electric operation between garages, they did exactly the same for the 173 and 174.
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 19, 2021 10:30:19 GMT
Got a feeling the 25 new electrics for the 160 and 180 will get switched to the 47 and 53 for environmental reasons. Any route awarded with Electric Buses will get them as that is what was specified, the mileage is paid on the Basis of Electric. So far all routes awarded with Electric have got what they have intended apart from the 616 where an agreement was probably made to use them on the 20...
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 19, 2021 10:42:09 GMT
Got a feeling the 25 new electrics for the 160 and 180 will get switched to the 47 and 53 for environmental reasons. Any route awarded with Electric Buses will get them as that is what was specified, the mileage is paid on the Basis of Electric. So far all routes awarded with Electric have got what they have intended apart from the 616 where an agreement was probably made to use them on the 20... It's basically like with low floor. If a routes needs new buses it gets them.
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Post by redexpress on Mar 19, 2021 11:13:55 GMT
Got a feeling the 25 new electrics for the 160 and 180 will get switched to the 47 and 53 for environmental reasons. Any route awarded with Electric Buses will get them as that is what was specified, the mileage is paid on the Basis of Electric. So far all routes awarded with Electric have got what they have intended apart from the 616 where an agreement was probably made to use them on the 20... Indeed, and in the 616 case, it was stated in the tender award that it would use hybrids off the 20. So the agreement to switch the electrics to the 20 was made as part of the 616 award, not a post-award modification.
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 19, 2021 11:45:23 GMT
Any route awarded with Electric Buses will get them as that is what was specified, the mileage is paid on the Basis of Electric. So far all routes awarded with Electric have got what they have intended apart from the 616 where an agreement was probably made to use them on the 20... It's basically like with low floor. If a routes needs new buses it gets them. That is a very bad example to use as many vehicles ordered against outer London contract were allocated to Central London routes.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 19, 2021 11:47:45 GMT
It's basically like with low floor. If a routes needs new buses it gets them. That is a very bad example to use as many vehicles ordered against outer London contract were allocated to Central London routes. What low floor buses were diverted to central London routes?
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 19, 2021 12:55:51 GMT
That is a very bad example to use as many vehicles ordered against outer London contract were allocated to Central London routes. What low floor buses were diverted to central London routes? Unfortunately I have disposed of my LOTS publications of that era, so unable to give specific examples, but there were plenty.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 19, 2021 13:40:15 GMT
It always seemed to me they were done in order of when awarded hence BX having PVL1 for the 229, 401, 422, S reg DLAs at TH etc
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Post by redexpress on Mar 19, 2021 15:07:05 GMT
What low floor buses were diverted to central London routes? Unfortunately I have disposed of my LOTS publications of that era, so unable to give specific examples, but there were plenty. If we're talking about conversions from step-entrance to low-floor, I don't think there were many cases of new buses being diverted from outer London to inner London. A few routes (e.g. 188) did jump the queue because the powers that be wanted the Dome to be served by fully accessible buses but there wasn't a large-scale plan to prioritise inner London.
Outer London did lose out at a later stage, when the first generation of low-floor buses was being replaced by newer buses, although even then I don't think the effect was as drastic as you seem to think.
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