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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 4, 2021 20:02:16 GMT
Nice to see Uxbridge have a taste of electrics
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Sept 4, 2021 20:14:18 GMT
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Post by cl54 on Sept 17, 2021 8:45:19 GMT
Important press release from the Mayor of London.
Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, announces that all new TfL buses in London will now be zero-emission Commitment to deliver a 100 per cent zero-emission bus fleet in London has been brought forward by three years, from 2037 to 2034 Ten per cent of London’s bus network will be zero-emission by the end of 2022. With Government funding the entire fleet could be zero-emission by 2030
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 17, 2021 8:55:57 GMT
Important press release from the Mayor of London. Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, announces that all new TfL buses in London will now be zero-emission Commitment to deliver a 100 per cent zero-emission bus fleet in London has been brought forward by three years, from 2037 to 2034 Ten per cent of London’s bus network will be zero-emission by the end of 2022. With Government funding the entire fleet could be zero-emission by 2030 2034 ties in with the last non zero emission route contract 202,to have completed a 2nd contract of 7 year term in September 2034 - which was always the date I realistically expected. 10% by end of 2022 is not an ambitious target, more realistic one ... have to be some more electric awards coming up in next 6 months. Quick finger in air, about 300? What incentive is there for the government to fund something that will happen 4 years later without funding?
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 17, 2021 8:56:12 GMT
Important press release from the Mayor of London. Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, announces that all new TfL buses in London will now be zero-emission Commitment to deliver a 100 per cent zero-emission bus fleet in London has been brought forward by three years, from 2037 to 2034 Ten per cent of London’s bus network will be zero-emission by the end of 2022. With Government funding the entire fleet could be zero-emission by 2030 The Financial Times has a headline stating that the Head of TfL is looking for £17billion of longer-term Government funding over the next decade.
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 17, 2021 8:58:49 GMT
Important press release from the Mayor of London. Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, announces that all new TfL buses in London will now be zero-emission Commitment to deliver a 100 per cent zero-emission bus fleet in London has been brought forward by three years, from 2037 to 2034 Ten per cent of London’s bus network will be zero-emission by the end of 2022. With Government funding the entire fleet could be zero-emission by 2030 The Financial Times has a headline stating that the Head of TfL is looking for £17billion of longer-term Government funding over the next decade. Meanwhile outside of London government funding is basically nothing.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 17, 2021 9:11:40 GMT
The Financial Times has a headline stating that the Head of TfL is looking for £17billion of longer-term Government funding over the next decade. Meanwhile outside of London government funding is basically nothing. And all the other Mayors around the UK will be watching on launching making claims for pro-rata funding, and maybe a bit more u der the levelling up policy ... this will be an expensive policy to agree to in period where central government does not have a lot of money.
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Post by snowman on Sept 17, 2021 9:12:03 GMT
Important press release from the Mayor of London. Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, announces that all new TfL buses in London will now be zero-emission Commitment to deliver a 100 per cent zero-emission bus fleet in London has been brought forward by three years, from 2037 to 2034 Ten per cent of London’s bus network will be zero-emission by the end of 2022. With Government funding the entire fleet could be zero-emission by 2030 2034 ties in with the last non zero emission route contract 202,to have completed a 2nd contract of 7 year term in September 2034 - which was always the date I realistically expected. 10% by end of 2022 is not an ambitious target, more realistic one ... have to be some more electric awards coming up in next 6 months. Quick finger in air, about 300? What incentive is there for the government to fund something that will happen 4 years later without funding? It doesn’t actually say which month in 2034 But there are very few buses to replace early if they subsequently move it even earlier by about 18 months 202 fleet, K1 fleet, 25 and 425 fleet etc
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 17, 2021 9:18:15 GMT
2034 ties in with the last non zero emission route contract 202,to have completed a 2nd contract of 7 year term in September 2034 - which was always the date I realistically expected. 10% by end of 2022 is not an ambitious target, more realistic one ... have to be some more electric awards coming up in next 6 months. Quick finger in air, about 300? What incentive is there for the government to fund something that will happen 4 years later without funding? It doesn’t actually say which month in 2034 But there are very few buses to replace early if they subsequently move it even earlier by about 18 months 202 fleet, K1 fleet, 25 and 425 fleet etc Normally when politicians make a time commitment just stating a year, it is year end. He is also making a commitment that he will not be around to see, so whether that commitment stands or changes will not be down to him, but his successor, so bit of an empty commitment. What's to say his successor is left with the option to suspend further zero emission conversion, if they are still more expensive then, or alternatively make another round of severe cuts.
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 17, 2021 9:28:14 GMT
Meanwhile outside of London government funding is basically nothing. And all the other Mayors around the UK will be watching on launching making claims for pro-rata funding, and maybe a bit more u der the levelling up policy ... this will be an expensive policy to agree to in period where central government does not have a lot of money. Perhaps the government could siphon off part of car or road taxes, within existing rates, to provide funding which could be bid for by authorities across England to support new electric bus related infrastructure projects. I just don’t see it as right that TfL could ask for such a huge fund when other authorities are unlikely to get anywhere near that when they all have aspirations of electric bus fleets.
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Post by snowman on Sept 17, 2021 9:39:46 GMT
Of course no one has actually ordered any new diesel or hybrid buses for about 20 months (placed an order date, some were delivered in summer 2020) for TfL services.
No one has made economic case for them, preferring to order electric, so in reality the no more orders part of mayors announcement is rather hollow.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 17, 2021 9:50:14 GMT
Of course no one has actually ordered any new diesel or hybrid buses for about 20 months (placed an order date, some were delivered in summer 2020) for TfL services. No one has made economic case for them, preferring to order electric, so in reality the no more orders part of mayors announcement is rather hollow. Not sure we know if it is operators preferring to order zero emissions, or a not publicly stated policy of TfL to only accept zero emission new vehicle tender submissions. If costs are higher, it would suggest to me the latter. And the fact they specifically state extra money required for zero emission conversion, suggest it comes at an additional cost.
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 17, 2021 11:05:09 GMT
The Financial Times has a headline stating that the Head of TfL is looking for £17billion of longer-term Government funding over the next decade. Meanwhile outside of London government funding is basically nothing. For buses, arguably (the bulk of TfL's £17billion, if granted, would fund rail services). However the Government does reimburse operators via local authorities for concessionary free travel and provides fuel cost rebates through BSOG (Bus Service Operators Grant). The Government does also have its Green Bus Fund to support the increased purchase cost of new low/zero-emission vehicles and the attendant infrastructure. I would agree that the Government could do a lot more.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 17, 2021 11:58:33 GMT
The Financial Times has a headline stating that the Head of TfL is looking for £17billion of longer-term Government funding over the next decade. Meanwhile outside of London government funding is basically nothing. As predicted as that way the 25, 202, 209, 405, 425 can do the max of 2 full contracts.
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Post by snowman on Sept 17, 2021 12:03:43 GMT
Of course no one has actually ordered any new diesel or hybrid buses for about 20 months (placed an order date, some were delivered in summer 2020) for TfL services. No one has made economic case for them, preferring to order electric, so in reality the no more orders part of mayors announcement is rather hollow. Not sure we know if it is operators preferring to order zero emissions, or a not publicly stated policy of TfL to only accept zero emission new vehicle tender submissions. If costs are higher, it would suggest to me the latter. And the fact they specifically state extra money required for zero emission conversion, suggest it comes at an additional cost. TfL policy has been zero emission for single decks since start of 2020 Could still bid with hybrids for double decks, but I think the vague end usage date of 2030-2037 put everyone off ordering them as presumably residual values were negligible
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