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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Sept 17, 2021 13:12:14 GMT
Meanwhile outside of London government funding is basically nothing. As predicted as that way the 25, 202, 209, 405, 425 can do the max of 2 full contracts. I made a list of new hybrid or diesel buses in 2020: Jan 497 Feb None Mar 482 Apr None May 25, 270 Jun 285, K1 Jul 425 Aug 405 Sep 202 None ordered since Sep 20
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Post by LK65EBO on Sept 17, 2021 15:18:38 GMT
As predicted as that way the 25, 202, 209, 405, 425 can do the max of 2 full contracts. I made a list of new hybrid or diesel buses in 2020: Jan 497 Feb None Mar 482 Apr None May 25, 270 Jun 285 Jul 425 Aug 112 (part), 405 Sep 202 None ordered since Sep 20 K1?
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 17, 2021 16:01:48 GMT
I made a list of new hybrid or diesel buses in 2020: Jan 497 Feb None Mar 482 Apr None May 25, 270 Jun 285 Jul 425 Aug 112 (part), 405 Sep 202 None ordered since Sep 20 K1? You are not allowed to mention those as the mayor had previously decreed that all single decks would be zero emission ... so are regarded as zero emission deisels by TfL ...
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Post by vjaska on Sept 17, 2021 16:20:47 GMT
You are not allowed to mention those as the mayor had previously decreed that all single decks would be zero emission ... so are regarded as zero emission deisels by TfL ... Wasn't that though due to their being no available electric vehicle in that length at the time so was 1 exception? This isn't the case now the 8.7m Metrocity exists so operators have something to actually order and the 322 is the first route since then that has been specified for short single door electric vehicles
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Sept 17, 2021 16:46:14 GMT
You are not allowed to mention those as the mayor had previously decreed that all single decks would be zero emission ... so are regarded as zero emission deisels by TfL ... Wasn't that though due to their being no available electric vehicle in that length at the time so was 1 exception? This isn't the case now the 8.7m Metrocity exists so operators have something to actually order and the 322 is the first route since then that has been specified for short single door electric vehicles What about the Solo?
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Sept 17, 2021 20:43:33 GMT
Important press release from the Mayor of London. Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, announces that all new TfL buses in London will now be zero-emission Commitment to deliver a 100 per cent zero-emission bus fleet in London has been brought forward by three years, from 2037 to 2034 Ten per cent of London’s bus network will be zero-emission by the end of 2022. With Government funding the entire fleet could be zero-emission by 2030 2034 ties in with the last non zero emission route contract 202,to have completed a 2nd contract of 7 year term in September 2034 - which was always the date I realistically expected. 10% by end of 2022 is not an ambitious target, more realistic one ... have to be some more electric awards coming up in next 6 months. Quick finger in air, about 300? What incentive is there for the government to fund something that will happen 4 years later without funding? I've had a look and seen how it all adds up: Currently the PVR of electric bus routes in London is 398, making up 5.1% of the grand total PVR of 7797. Therefore, by the end of 2022, 382PVR extra ZE buses need to be introduced. With 285 electric buses currently on order and 21 existing to be introduced on route W15, 76PVR additional ZE buses need to be ordered to achieve the 10% goal. This just happens to be the total PVR of routes 220, 226, 248, 264 and 353, all presently operating with diesels ineligible for a new contract.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 17, 2021 20:47:27 GMT
2034 ties in with the last non zero emission route contract 202,to have completed a 2nd contract of 7 year term in September 2034 - which was always the date I realistically expected. 10% by end of 2022 is not an ambitious target, more realistic one ... have to be some more electric awards coming up in next 6 months. Quick finger in air, about 300? What incentive is there for the government to fund something that will happen 4 years later without funding? I've had a look and seen how it all adds up: Currently there are 398 zero emission buses operating in London, making up 5.1% of the grand total PVR of 7797. Therefore, by the end of 2022, 382 extra ZE buses need to be introduced. With 285 electric buses currently on order and 21 existing to be introduced on route W15, 76 additional ZE buses need to be ordered to achieve the 10% goal. This just happens to be the total PVR of routes 220, 226, 248, 264 and 353, all presently operating with diesels ineligible for a new contract. Thank you for looking into this. Is 398 the physical total of buses or the pvr of electric buses? As to be accurate if using pvr, needs to be pvr of electric routes.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Sept 17, 2021 21:05:56 GMT
I've had a look and seen how it all adds up: Currently there are 398 zero emission buses operating in London, making up 5.1% of the grand total PVR of 7797. Therefore, by the end of 2022, 382 extra ZE buses need to be introduced. With 285 electric buses currently on order and 21 existing to be introduced on route W15, 76 additional ZE buses need to be ordered to achieve the 10% goal. This just happens to be the total PVR of routes 220, 226, 248, 264 and 353, all presently operating with diesels ineligible for a new contract. Thank you for looking into this. Is 398 the physical total of buses or the pvr of electric buses? As to be accurate if using pvr, needs to be pvr of electric routes. Thank you. Have updated my post.
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Post by snowman on Sept 17, 2021 21:14:06 GMT
I've had a look and seen how it all adds up: Currently there are 398 zero emission buses operating in London, making up 5.1% of the grand total PVR of 7797. Therefore, by the end of 2022, 382 extra ZE buses need to be introduced. With 285 electric buses currently on order and 21 existing to be introduced on route W15, 76 additional ZE buses need to be ordered to achieve the 10% goal. This just happens to be the total PVR of routes 220, 226, 248, 264 and 353, all presently operating with diesels ineligible for a new contract. Thank you for looking into this. Is 398 the physical total of buses or the pvr of electric buses? As to be accurate if using pvr, needs to be pvr of electric routes. It is about 8800 buses in fleet, roughly 1.1 times PVR Thus 10% of TfL bus fleet would be about 880 buses, nearly 500 more than currently
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 18, 2021 5:44:21 GMT
It doesn’t actually say which month in 2034 But there are very few buses to replace early if they subsequently move it even earlier by about 18 months 202 fleet, K1 fleet, 25 and 425 fleet etc Normally when politicians make a time commitment just stating a year, it is year end. He is also making a commitment that he will not be around to see, so whether that commitment stands or changes will not be down to him, but his successor, so bit of an empty commitment. What's to say his successor is left with the option to suspend further zero emission conversion, if they are still more expensive then, or alternatively make another round of severe cuts. Unless he stands down or is defeated in a future Mayoral election, he could still be in office by then. He is only 50 now. If he has announced an intention to stand down then I have missed that.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 18, 2021 5:47:19 GMT
As predicted as that way the 25, 202, 209, 405, 425 can do the max of 2 full contracts. I made a list of new hybrid or diesel buses in 2020: Jan 497 Feb None Mar 482 Apr None May 25, 270 Jun 285 Jul 425 Aug 112 (part), 405 Sep 202 None ordered since Sep 20 Although all other routes are correct afaik, and route K1 added in a subsequent post, route 112 received DELs built in error for route 393 so were not new last year.
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 18, 2021 6:50:23 GMT
Normally when politicians make a time commitment just stating a year, it is year end. He is also making a commitment that he will not be around to see, so whether that commitment stands or changes will not be down to him, but his successor, so bit of an empty commitment. What's to say his successor is left with the option to suspend further zero emission conversion, if they are still more expensive then, or alternatively make another round of severe cuts. Unless he stands down or is defeated in a future Mayoral election, he could still be in office by then. He is only 50 now. If he has announced an intention to stand down then I have missed that. God forbid he’s still in office then. By that point we’ll be at one bus an hour per route and it will be the hunger games just to get on. But in all seriousness I don’t think London can take another round of media star Sadiq Kahns leadership. Still searching for actual effective transformative policy 5 years after he was first elected.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Sept 18, 2021 8:15:55 GMT
Normally when politicians make a time commitment just stating a year, it is year end. He is also making a commitment that he will not be around to see, so whether that commitment stands or changes will not be down to him, but his successor, so bit of an empty commitment. What's to say his successor is left with the option to suspend further zero emission conversion, if they are still more expensive then, or alternatively make another round of severe cuts. Unless he stands down or is defeated in a future Mayoral election, he could still be in office by then. He is only 50 now. If he has announced an intention to stand down then I have missed that. There is a two term limit here, otherwise we may still have Boris in office now!
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Sept 18, 2021 8:19:09 GMT
I made a list of new hybrid or diesel buses in 2020: Jan 497 Feb None Mar 482 Apr None May 25, 270 Jun 285 Jul 425 Aug 112 (part), 405 Sep 202 None ordered since Sep 20 Although all other routes are correct afaik, and route K1 added in a subsequent post, route 112 received DELs built in error for route 393 so were not new last year. Post edited.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 18, 2021 8:48:11 GMT
Unless he stands down or is defeated in a future Mayoral election, he could still be in office by then. He is only 50 now. If he has announced an intention to stand down then I have missed that. God forbid he’s still in office then. By that point we’ll be at one bus an hour per route and it will be the hunger games just to get on. But in all seriousness I don’t think London can take another round of media star Sadiq Kahns leadership. Still searching for actual effective transformative policy 5 years after he was first elected. The "son of a bus driver" I prefer to call an occasional table, because it ends up being him doing nothing for a good chunk of time, but then when he does something it's of little to no use.
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