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Post by snowman on Sept 30, 2022 11:35:03 GMT
I'd expect Metroline to order Electroliners for the 83 too. Btw this means that PV would have Wrightbodied hydrogens and electrics at the same garage which will be very interesting. I hope when they come the electrics can stray on the 7 to make it electric and hydrogen operational and vice versa for the 297. Would be more sensible to order another batch of hydrogens. I suspect the electroliners are £400-500k each, but the hydrogen versions more like £800k each Don't know the prices, but basing it on Government grant levels for some provincial orders and trying to estimate value per bus
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 1, 2022 1:17:08 GMT
I imagine if Stagecoach did gain the 38 they would now take the opportunity to run it from HK much like when the route used bendy buses. Having said that I would be shocked if Arriva lost the route. I there's still a reasonable chance Arriva could lose the 38, it probably depends on how competitive the bids are. On previous retenders, the 38 would have been seen as a very safe retain due to the large PVR, with other operators unlikely to find space. But the 38 has since been reduced significantly, and could easily fit at LI, or even QB at the other end? One advantage Arriva do have though, it that they also currently run the rest of the routes in the same tranche (221/279/W3). But then the 279 or W3 could be lost to another operator if existing vehicles are available, particularly Metroline who could use the ex-91/271 hybrids. I also wonder if the 279 might become an LT route, if the 349 withdrawal goes ahead? It is extremely competitive just like many of the other recent tenders. It does not help many of the operators with rising costs, staff costs and shortages, increasing congestion & roadworks making it harder to achieve QIX figures, tightening of pvr's and the upcoming bus cuts from TfL. There would be a few route tests with electric deckers to confirm suitability etc. As many of the tenders are calling for electric option, does not mean they would gain them. Routes like the 29, W3, 38, 279 all have electric option and IIRC two types of buses are to be route tested as norm; does not mean they would get them or even the company retaining them. This is just the norm, it is also done over other operators routes.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Oct 1, 2022 5:24:52 GMT
I there's still a reasonable chance Arriva could lose the 38, it probably depends on how competitive the bids are. On previous retenders, the 38 would have been seen as a very safe retain due to the large PVR, with other operators unlikely to find space. But the 38 has since been reduced significantly, and could easily fit at LI, or even QB at the other end? One advantage Arriva do have though, it that they also currently run the rest of the routes in the same tranche (221/279/W3). But then the 279 or W3 could be lost to another operator if existing vehicles are available, particularly Metroline who could use the ex-91/271 hybrids. I also wonder if the 279 might become an LT route, if the 349 withdrawal goes ahead? It is extremely competitive just like many of the other recent tenders. It does not help many of the operators with rising costs, staff costs and shortages, increasing congestion & roadworks making it harder to achieve QIX figures, tightening of pvr's and the upcoming bus cuts from TfL. There would be a few route tests with electric deckers to confirm suitability etc. As many of the tenders are calling for electric option, does not mean they would gain them. Routes like the 29, W3, 38, 279 all have electric option and IIRC two types of buses are to be route tested as norm; does not mean they would get them or even the company retaining them. This is just the norm, it is also done over other operators routes. 38 is interesting - thought it would certainly retain LTs. So *could in theory* go electric!
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 1, 2022 10:23:40 GMT
It is extremely competitive just like many of the other recent tenders. It does not help many of the operators with rising costs, staff costs and shortages, increasing congestion & roadworks making it harder to achieve QIX figures, tightening of pvr's and the upcoming bus cuts from TfL. There would be a few route tests with electric deckers to confirm suitability etc. As many of the tenders are calling for electric option, does not mean they would gain them. Routes like the 29, W3, 38, 279 all have electric option and IIRC two types of buses are to be route tested as norm; does not mean they would get them or even the company retaining them. This is just the norm, it is also done over other operators routes. 38 is interesting - thought it would certainly retain LTs. So *could in theory* go electric! Makes it very interesting indeed. Also remembering any cost of electrics from Arriva would probably require the initial electrification cost of WN and CT included (E should be fine as the 307 is coming), assuming it's going to be operating from those garages while competing garages for the W3 and 38 are already electric ready.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 1, 2022 12:34:41 GMT
It is extremely competitive just like many of the other recent tenders. It does not help many of the operators with rising costs, staff costs and shortages, increasing congestion & roadworks making it harder to achieve QIX figures, tightening of pvr's and the upcoming bus cuts from TfL. There would be a few route tests with electric deckers to confirm suitability etc. As many of the tenders are calling for electric option, does not mean they would gain them. Routes like the 29, W3, 38, 279 all have electric option and IIRC two types of buses are to be route tested as norm; does not mean they would get them or even the company retaining them. This is just the norm, it is also done over other operators routes. 38 is interesting - thought it would certainly retain LTs. So *could in theory* go electric! We do not know what they would accept. It is like that with a few routes. I personally think it would be a shame for it to lose the LT's especially as technically that was the first route they run on with LT1-8
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 1, 2022 12:38:46 GMT
38 is interesting - thought it would certainly retain LTs. So *could in theory* go electric! Makes it very interesting indeed. Also remembering any cost of electrics from Arriva would probably require the initial electrification cost of WN and CT included (E should be fine as the 307 is coming), assuming it's going to be operating from those garages while competing garages for the W3 and 38 are already electric ready. Most garages have already been worked out with electrification costs, and also other nearby garage alternatives. The whole garage does not need to be electrified. It is just that it works out cheaper and if it is done with charge to grid.
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Post by mb171 on Oct 1, 2022 12:57:57 GMT
Any updates on what the 187/487 will receive?
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Post by LK65EBO on Oct 15, 2022 13:07:12 GMT
Aren't the Electroliner's 10.9m?
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Post by vjaska on Oct 15, 2022 22:25:59 GMT
Aren't the Electroliner's 10.9m? No, they are shorter than that. I did think they were 10.5m but they are actually 10.582m according to Wrightbus own brochure which is 10.6m when rounded up so I'm actually out by 0.1m on my own list
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Oct 16, 2022 8:43:05 GMT
Aren't the Electroliner's 10.9m? They are identical to the WHDs, so yes 10.9, I think vjaska is referring to the G3 MkII being 10.6
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 16, 2022 9:08:51 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Oct 16, 2022 11:57:42 GMT
Aren't the Electroliner's 10.9m? They are identical to the WHDs, so yes 10.9, I think vjaska is referring to the G3 MkII being 10.6 Please don’t assume what I’m on about - the question asked was about Electroliners and my answer was referring to Electroliners because I actually bothered to read the brochure
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Post by kmkcheng on Oct 21, 2022 19:23:51 GMT
Metroline are ordering Electroliners for the 297, expected to enter service in December 2023. Electroliners are also ordered for 142 and 642
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 21, 2022 21:15:50 GMT
Metroline are ordering Electroliners for the 297, expected to enter service in December 2023. Electroliners are also ordered for 142 and 642 Interesting that Metroline haven't chosen to standardise with a single electric DD type at EW. So far I think the only example of this is at X (though is only the case there as the Optares were inherited from TT). I wonder how much these will intermix with the 204's BDEs between the two routes? Seems the Electroliners are Metroline's preferred choice for now, would expect them to be ordered for the 83 too, and potentially the 245/263/E2/E8. Will be interesting to see what they go for with the SD routes though - is the single deck Wright electric available in TFL spec and/or at a suitable length?
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Post by snowman on Oct 21, 2022 21:35:15 GMT
Electroliners are also ordered for 142 and 642 Interesting that Metroline haven't chosen to standardise with a single electric DD type at EW. So far I think the only example of this is at X (though is only the case there as the Optares were inherited from TT). I wonder how much these will intermix with the 204's BDEs between the two routes? Seems the Electroliners are Metroline's preferred choice for now, would expect them to be ordered for the 83 too, and potentially the 245/263/E2/E8. Will be interesting to see what they go for with the SD routes though - is the single deck Wright electric available in TFL spec and/or at a suitable length? The Wrightbus electric single deck is called GB Kite Is available as 1 or 2 door (but don’t know if TfL spec) Lengths are 10,947mm or 11,667mm or 12,469mm Max Seats 31, 41, 45; Max capacity 88, 85, 82
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