djs76
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Post by djs76 on May 1, 2020 10:42:04 GMT
In bus stations where there are terminating routes as well as through routes (Edmonton Green, Turnpike Lane etc) are there designated parking bays for particular routes. I've looked on Google maps and for Edmonton Green it appears that the 191 and W6 have their own bays but for the other terminating routes, is it just a free for all?
And does the same rule apply to somewhere like Romford where there are no passengers or through routes?
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Post by vjaska on May 1, 2020 11:14:15 GMT
In bus stations where there are terminating routes as well as through routes (Edmonton Green, Turnpike Lane etc) are there designated parking bays for particular routes. I've looked on Google maps and for Edmonton Green it appears that the 191 and W6 have their own bays but for the other terminating routes, is it just a free for all? And does the same rule apply to somewhere like Romford where there are no passengers or through routes? The 48 had its own stand at Walthamstow before it was axed - I'd imagine the 55 stands there now. At Edgware, the 340 stands on the station side of the bus station and the 79 used to under Metroline IIRC. Most routes terminating at Cromwell Road Bus Station in Kingston have their own stand |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 1, 2020 11:16:36 GMT
In bus stations where there are terminating routes as well as through routes (Edmonton Green, Turnpike Lane etc) are there designated parking bays for particular routes. I've looked on Google maps and for Edmonton Green it appears that the 191 and W6 have their own bays but for the other terminating routes, is it just a free for all? And does the same rule apply to somewhere like Romford where there are no passengers or through routes? The 48 had its own stand at Walthamstow before it was axed - I'd imagine the 55 stands there now. At Edgware, the 340 stands on the station side of the bus station and the 79 used to under Metroline IIRC. Most routes terminating at Cromwell Road Bus Station in Kingston have their own stand The 257 stands at the old 48 stand now while the 55 stands in the main section. |
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Post by djs76 on May 1, 2020 12:09:53 GMT
But are these stands marked in any way or is it just driver knowledge?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 1, 2020 12:10:32 GMT
In bus stations where there are terminating routes as well as through routes (Edmonton Green, Turnpike Lane etc) are there designated parking bays for particular routes. I've looked on Google maps and for Edmonton Green it appears that the 191 and W6 have their own bays but for the other terminating routes, is it just a free for all? And does the same rule apply to somewhere like Romford where there are no passengers or through routes? Edmonton Green has dedicated rows for each route, I'm not sure what the current order is but they all do stand in groups of their routes. Romford is a weird one. Romford Station is effectively a free for all with routes parking wherever on the stand, the same goes for the 5 and 248 at Romford Market. Somewhere like Ilford, Hainault Street seems to have some bays dedicated, the ones closest to the entrance seem to only be big enough for buses on the 462 and W19. The 167 has its own stand by Griggs Approach but since Stagecoach took over it hardly ever actually uses it. You're more likely to see a 25 or 425 dumped there instead. Stratford Bus Station I another one where it's "semi dedicated". Routes D8 and 158 both stand facing West while all other routes face East, back when there were four rows of stands facing East the 86 would often completely take the one furthest North but since the amount of rows were reduced, albeit made longer it's just become a free for all in whatever route takes it. Although it does result in a huge mess when it overcrowds as buses then block the exit. Has to be one of the worst bus stations in London for overcrowding. Stratford City effectively seems to be an any bus takes any stand policy. Beckton is another Semi Dedicated one, the 173 has its own stand facing East while the 366 and 376 both stand facing West. Although when the 173 stand overcrowds the 173s sometimes park in the stands facing West or just stand at the alighting point. There isn't space there for another route at all so how on earth the 101, 104 and 262 are all going to fit in is beyond me. Canning Town mostly has dedicated stands, but the 300/330 both share their stand and the 323/309 share their stand. The 5, 69 and 147 all have their own stands, although the 69s ones are dotted all over the bus station with two on either side by the northern exit and one between the 309/323 and 5 stands facing south. |
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Post by george on May 1, 2020 12:11:15 GMT
But are these stands marked in any way or is it just driver knowledge? I think drivers will know where to park to be honest. For example a 23 driver isn't going to park in the 9 stand because he/she knows that's where the 9 stands. |
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Post by LK65EBO on May 1, 2020 12:15:28 GMT
Is Heathrow Central a free for all?
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Post by busoccultation on May 1, 2020 12:41:04 GMT
In bus stations where there are terminating routes as well as through routes (Edmonton Green, Turnpike Lane etc) are there designated parking bays for particular routes. I've looked on Google maps and for Edmonton Green it appears that the 191 and W6 have their own bays but for the other terminating routes, is it just a free for all? And does the same rule apply to somewhere like Romford where there are no passengers or through routes? Turnpike Lane was sort of free for all stand with two pairs of stands within the bus station with a main one near the entrance which is used by the 121/184/221/232/329 and smaller one at the top right hand corner of the bus station which is used by the 217/231/444. Since last year when the 232 went to Go-Ahead where it had a Bay A designated specifically for the route and the 444 had specific bay at the top to accommodate the longer hydrogen buses that was used on the 444 until March this year and leaving the 217/231 to use the stand next to the trees.
Brent Cross is pretty much free for all where all the routes (except the 189) uses any bays , with one next to the entrance of the shopping centre with buses facing in either directions and one next at bottom which is dedicatedly used by the 189 (as it uses LT's) and also other routes if there is space available. Though this can be problematic due to the amount of routes that terminate there and with limited stand space available at Brent Cross.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 1, 2020 12:59:30 GMT
In bus stations where there are terminating routes as well as through routes (Edmonton Green, Turnpike Lane etc) are there designated parking bays for particular routes. I've looked on Google maps and for Edmonton Green it appears that the 191 and W6 have their own bays but for the other terminating routes, is it just a free for all? And does the same rule apply to somewhere like Romford where there are no passengers or through routes? Turnpike Lane was sort of free for all stand with two pairs of stands within the bus station with a main one near the entrance which is used by the 121/184/221/232/329 and smaller one at the top right hand corner of the bus station which is used by the 217/231/444. Since last year when the 232 went to Go-Ahead where it had a Bay A designated specifically for the route and the 444 had specific bay at the top to accommodate the longer hydrogen buses that was used on the 444 until March this year and leaving the 217/231 to use the stand next to the trees.
Brent Cross is pretty much free for all where all the routes (except the 189) uses any bays , with one next to the entrance of the shopping centre with buses facing in either directions and one next at bottom which is dedicatedly used by the 189 (as it uses LT's) and also other routes if there is space available. Though this can be problematic due to the amount of routes that terminate there and with limited stand space available at Brent Cross.
I think if any bus station can give Stratford a run for its money with the overcrowding it's Brent Cross. It's so badly designed the stands don't even have a set direction in which they can be occupied. I've seen examples where two buses almost had head ons because two of them tried to pull into the same bay in opposite directions. When they redid the bus station a couple of years back I was hoping they'd fix it but they didn't. I wonder if the reason the 232 got its dedicated stand was because of the Live changeovers which started to take place, Turnpike Lane has a stand in the middle where it's impossible to overtake a bus in front and should a 232 get in the way there it would spell disaster. |
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Post by vjaska on May 1, 2020 14:38:54 GMT
But are these stands marked in any way or is it just driver knowledge? The Cromwell Road ones are because they also act as the first stop for passengers. |
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Post by redexpress on May 1, 2020 15:08:24 GMT
But are these stands marked in any way or is it just driver knowledge? I think drivers will know where to park to be honest. For example a 23 driver isn't going to park in the 9 stand because he/she knows that's where the 9 stands. Hammersmith is one of those where the stands are specifically marked for individual routes, so it's not just down to driver knowledge. I think markings are used in those stations where it is important that buses use the correct stand, as the movements within the bus station (i.e. reaching the stand from the alighting point, and reaching the pick-up point from the stand) are worked out carefully to avoid too many conflicts. In less cramped bus stations it seems to be left to drivers to sort themselves out. |
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Post by george on May 1, 2020 15:12:45 GMT
I think drivers will know where to park to be honest. For example a 23 driver isn't going to park in the 9 stand because he/she knows that's where the 9 stands. Hammersmith is one of those where the stands are specifically marked for individual routes, so it's not just down to driver knowledge. I think markings are used in those stations where it is important that buses use the correct stand, as the movements within the bus station (i.e. reaching the stand from the alighting point, and reaching the pick-up point from the stand) are worked out carefully to avoid too many conflicts. In less cramped bus stations it seems to be left to drivers to sort themselves out. Fair point.In Hammersmith the 23 stand is still marked for route 10. |
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Post by thewintersoldier on May 1, 2020 16:39:07 GMT
In bus stations where there are terminating routes as well as through routes (Edmonton Green, Turnpike Lane etc) are there designated parking bays for particular routes. I've looked on Google maps and for Edmonton Green it appears that the 191 and W6 have their own bays but for the other terminating routes, is it just a free for all? And does the same rule apply to somewhere like Romford where there are no passengers or through routes? Turnpike Lane was sort of free for all stand with two pairs of stands within the bus station with a main one near the entrance which is used by the 121/184/221/232/329 and smaller one at the top right hand corner of the bus station which is used by the 217/231/444. Since last year when the 232 went to Go-Ahead where it had a Bay A designated specifically for the route and the 444 had specific bay at the top to accommodate the longer hydrogen buses that was used on the 444 until March this year and leaving the 217/231 to use the stand next to the trees.
Brent Cross is pretty much free for all where all the routes (except the 189) uses any bays , with one next to the entrance of the shopping centre with buses facing in either directions and one next at bottom which is dedicatedly used by the 189 (as it uses LT's) and also other routes if there is space available. Though this can be problematic due to the amount of routes that terminate there and with limited stand space available at Brent Cross.
Buses at Brent Cross are now piling up on Prince Charles drive as the bus station is full, also the roundabout on tempelhof ave has seen some 189’s sit there. Likewise at Turnpike Lane some 232’s are using West Green Road when they are due to carry out crew changes. |
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Post by beaver14uk on May 1, 2020 18:04:35 GMT
Addington, West Croydon, Canada Water and London Bridge are stand specific. I think Vauxhall still is.
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Post by ronnie on May 1, 2020 19:21:48 GMT
Think Aldgate bus station is also a free fro all
How about Waltham cross - dedicated stands? Think at most bus stations it’s a free for all - lakeside? Blue water?
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