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Post by TB123 on May 11, 2020 18:55:04 GMT
Not sure of how much interest it would be to folks on here, but in addition to buses politics is a big interest of mine, I was thinking of doing a list of parliamentary constituencies each London bus route enters. Be interesting to see how Tory or Labour the area of an individual route was.
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Post by george on May 11, 2020 19:13:22 GMT
Not sure of how much interest it would be to folks on here, but in addition to buses politics is a big interest of mine, I was thinking of doing a list of parliamentary constituencies each London bus route enters. Be interesting to see how Tory or Labour the area of an individual route was. Sounds like an interesting idea to me. |
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Post by busaholic on May 11, 2020 20:19:08 GMT
Croxted Road (there's only one such in the whole of the U.K., apparently) is quite interesting with properties on the west side of the road in Lambeth borough, on the east in Southwark. It is further complicated on the Southwark side of the road by a large chunk coming under the provisions of an act that gave Dulwich College Estates many overriding powers in relation to those properties, even those which were bought on a freehold basis. My sister used to live in a house on the Southwark side, then after her husband's death she moved almost opposite into a flat on the Lambeth side.It was always said that the reason why the road was a speedtrack was that the two councils could never agree on measures such as pedestrian islands or pelican crossings. I had my parked car there utterly destroyed by a speeding driver one night, and another car scraped down the side and mirror knocked off the night before said brother=in-law's funeral, a fact I kept concealed from my sister as best as possible for as long as possible.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on May 11, 2020 21:27:04 GMT
Not sure of how much interest it would be to folks on here, but in addition to buses politics is a big interest of mine, I was thinking of doing a list of parliamentary constituencies each London bus route enters. Be interesting to see how Tory or Labour the area of an individual route was. As a couple of examples, the 363 is wholly in Labour seats. Starts at the Elephant in Neil Coyle's Bermondsey & Old Southwark, then Peckham and Camberwell which is Harriet Harman, then Dulwich & West Norwood, Helen Hayes, the terminus is in Lewisham West and Penge, Ellie Reeves. (It also enters Lewisham W/Penge towards CP at Wood Vale and Sydenham Hill.) While the 227 starts in Tory heartlands at Bromley North with Sir Bob Neill's Bromley & Chislehurst seat, then Bob Stewart who represent's Beckenham and as the demographic changes, it becomes Lewisham West & Penge with Labour's Ellie Reeves as the bus enters Penge, terminating at Crystal Palace. Towards Bromley, there are two stops in Dulwich & West Norwood on Crystal Palace Parade as those stops are in Southwark. |
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Post by Alex on May 11, 2020 21:44:29 GMT
As a couple of examples, the 363 is wholly in Labour seats. I reckon most of the routes in east and south-east London will be in Labour seats. Looking at Newham alone (I know the constituencies don't match up with borough boundaries) the 104, 241, 262, 330 and 473 leap out at me straight away. I think it would be interesting to see the usage data and see where the highest passenger numbers in density correlate to with the constituencies. I looked a few years ago and one of the top five busiest in London (for passengers per km) was the 330. |
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Post by rift on May 11, 2020 23:02:30 GMT
Not sure of how much interest it would be to folks on here, but in addition to buses politics is a big interest of mine, I was thinking of doing a list of parliamentary constituencies each London bus route enters. Be interesting to see how Tory or Labour the area of an individual route was. As a couple of examples, the 363 is wholly in Labour seats. Starts at the Elephant in Neil Coyle's Bermondsey & Old Southwark, then Peckham and Camberwell which is Harriet Harman, then Dulwich & West Norwood, Helen Hayes, the terminus is in Lewisham West and Penge, Ellie Reeves. (It also enters Lewisham W/Penge towards CP at Wood Vale and Sydenham Hill.) While the 227 starts in Tory heartlands at Bromley North with Sir Bob Neill's Bromley & Chislehurst seat, then Bob Stewart who represent's Beckenham and as the demographic changes, it becomes Lewisham West & Penge with Labour's Ellie Reeves as the bus enters Penge, terminating at Crystal Palace. Towards Bromley, there are two stops in Dulwich & West Norwood on Crystal Palace Parade as those stops are in Southwark. 53, 177, 291, 380, 469 and 472 are all wholly in Labour safe seats as far as I know. |
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Post by ronnie on May 11, 2020 23:10:53 GMT
As a couple of examples, the 363 is wholly in Labour seats. Starts at the Elephant in Neil Coyle's Bermondsey & Old Southwark, then Peckham and Camberwell which is Harriet Harman, then Dulwich & West Norwood, Helen Hayes, the terminus is in Lewisham West and Penge, Ellie Reeves. (It also enters Lewisham W/Penge towards CP at Wood Vale and Sydenham Hill.) While the 227 starts in Tory heartlands at Bromley North with Sir Bob Neill's Bromley & Chislehurst seat, then Bob Stewart who represent's Beckenham and as the demographic changes, it becomes Lewisham West & Penge with Labour's Ellie Reeves as the bus enters Penge, terminating at Crystal Palace. Towards Bromley, there are two stops in Dulwich & West Norwood on Crystal Palace Parade as those stops are in Southwark. 53, 177, 291, 380, 469 and 472 are all wholly in Labour safe seats as far as I know. So would D3, D6, D7, D8, 309, 323 |
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Post by ronnie on May 11, 2020 23:11:55 GMT
Not sure of how much interest it would be to folks on here, but in addition to buses politics is a big interest of mine, I was thinking of doing a list of parliamentary constituencies each London bus route enters. Be interesting to see how Tory or Labour the area of an individual route was. Would be interesting to know which is the longest route which is all Tory or all lAbour. And the shortest one which is multi party! |
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Post by orangejamieboss on May 12, 2020 15:17:03 GMT
I just noticed in the Brent section that Abellio isn't there. The 414 does in fact have its bus stand in the London Borough of Brent, would you count this? |
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Post by beaver14uk on May 12, 2020 17:02:17 GMT
Yes Deptford Church Street is Lewisham. The 47 just clips inside Greenwich heading towards Bellingham (not the other way) at the Deptford High Street and Deptford Church Street stops. It's a very marginal case, granted :-) edit: spot the tatty old Greenwich sign on the bin at the bus stop: goo.gl/maps/25yQKo69SyF3HCqK6 Just to clarify, I go by road rather than pavement hence why the document I sent to george doesn't contain Greenwich for the 47 - Creek Road up to Deptford Church Street is wholly within Lewisham. I know there are similar anomalies that exist like Lambeth bins on Denmark Hill but again, the actual road on that section is wholly within Southwark. Hope that clears things up a little  |
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Post by rift on May 12, 2020 21:06:33 GMT
436 is also missing from Wandsworth, and the 164 isn’t operated by Arriva, nor goes anywhere near Lewisham.
I don’t think any of the B15 in Horn Park goes into Lewisham, however a tiny bit creeps into Bromley.
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Post by beaver14uk on May 12, 2020 21:25:29 GMT
Not aware the B15 enters Bromley or Lewisham 436 is also missing from Wandsworth, and the 164 isn’t operated by Arriva, nor goes anywhere near Lewisham. I don’t think any of the B15 in Horn Park goes into Lewisham, however a tiny bit creeps into Bromley. |
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Post by beaver14uk on May 12, 2020 21:43:07 GMT
You can add the 233 to Kent and 380/386 to Lewisham.
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Post by george on May 12, 2020 21:43:53 GMT
436 is also missing from Wandsworth, and the 164 isn’t operated by Arriva, nor goes anywhere near Lewisham. I don’t think any of the B15 in Horn Park goes into Lewisham, however a tiny bit creeps into Bromley. I'm very aware the 164 doesn't go anywhere near Lewisham and isn't operated by Arriva. Maybe I shouldn't have done this as seems there's too many silly mistakes. |
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Post by DT 11 on May 12, 2020 21:43:57 GMT
Not aware the B15 enters Bromley or Lewisham quote author=" rift" source="/post/571097/thread" timestamp="1589317593"]436 is also missing from Wandsworth, and the 164 isn’t operated by Arriva, nor goes anywhere near Lewisham. I don’t think any of the B15 in Horn Park goes into Lewisham, however a tiny bit creeps into Bromley. [/quote] Correct about the B15 not entering Lewisham. Alnwick Road is fully Greenwich Council Mottingham Lane is Bromley Council. EDIT however the part served by the B15 leading to the A20 is Greenwich Council after checking properly. |
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