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Post by rif153 on May 15, 2020 12:06:26 GMT
The idea to create this thread stemmed from thinking about Crossrail and the Overground, thinking about where TfL operate services, in numerous places, beyond the Greater London area. Even though the frontiers of Greater London are where they area - let's be honest - people commute to London from much further out than those borders and towns like Epsom and Slough are effectively commuter towns for those priced out of London. The question I want to put to others is this, do you think Greater London's boundaries need to be altered to reflect this?
Its a difficult one and I can see both sides. I think further expansion is inevitable with London sprawling and its more a question of when than if, Crossrail paves the way for further expansion with how far out it goes on the west side with people who cannot afford London who may be looking to commute into the centre buying a house out in Berkshire where property prices are cheaper than they would be in my native Ealing for instance. However, the other side of the argument is that countryside must be protected and cities shouldn't be allowed to endlessly sprawl out and take over all their surrounding areas, for this reason I do favour partial protection of greenbelt land if Greater London does expand.
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Post by SILENCED on May 15, 2020 12:13:25 GMT
The idea to create this thread stemmed from thinking about Crossrail and the Overground, thinking about where TfL operate services, in numerous places, beyond the Greater London area. Even though the frontiers of Greater London are where they area - let's be honest - people commute to London from much further out than those borders and towns like Epsom and Slough are effectively commuter towns for those priced out of London. The question I want to put to others is this, do you think Greater London's boundaries need to be altered to reflect this? Its a difficult one and I can see both sides. I think further expansion is inevitable with London sprawling and its more a question of when than if, Crossrail paves the way for further expansion with how far out it goes on the west side with people who cannot afford London who may be looking to commute into the centre buying a house out in Berkshire where property prices are cheaper than they would be in my native Ealing for instance. However, the other side of the argument is that countryside must be protected and cities shouldn't be allowed to endlessly sprawl out and take over all their surrounding areas, for this reason I do favour partial protection of greenbelt land if Greater London does expand. Have you seen Epsom property prices? |
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Post by rif153 on May 15, 2020 12:19:15 GMT
The idea to create this thread stemmed from thinking about Crossrail and the Overground, thinking about where TfL operate services, in numerous places, beyond the Greater London area. Even though the frontiers of Greater London are where they area - let's be honest - people commute to London from much further out than those borders and towns like Epsom and Slough are effectively commuter towns for those priced out of London. The question I want to put to others is this, do you think Greater London's boundaries need to be altered to reflect this? Its a difficult one and I can see both sides. I think further expansion is inevitable with London sprawling and its more a question of when than if, Crossrail paves the way for further expansion with how far out it goes on the west side with people who cannot afford London who may be looking to commute into the centre buying a house out in Berkshire where property prices are cheaper than they would be in my native Ealing for instance. However, the other side of the argument is that countryside must be protected and cities shouldn't be allowed to endlessly sprawl out and take over all their surrounding areas, for this reason I do favour partial protection of greenbelt land if Greater London does expand. Have you seen Epsom property prices? Epsom is quite an affluent town but I was referring to it as a London overspill town. I retract any implication housing is cheap in Epsom. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 12:27:51 GMT
The idea to create this thread stemmed from thinking about Crossrail and the Overground, thinking about where TfL operate services, in numerous places, beyond the Greater London area. Even though the frontiers of Greater London are where they area - let's be honest - people commute to London from much further out than those borders and towns like Epsom and Slough are effectively commuter towns for those priced out of London. The question I want to put to others is this, do you think Greater London's boundaries need to be altered to reflect this? Its a difficult one and I can see both sides. I think further expansion is inevitable with London sprawling and its more a question of when than if, Crossrail paves the way for further expansion with how far out it goes on the west side with people who cannot afford London who may be looking to commute into the centre buying a house out in Berkshire where property prices are cheaper than they would be in my native Ealing for instance. However, the other side of the argument is that countryside must be protected and cities shouldn't be allowed to endlessly sprawl out and take over all their surrounding areas, for this reason I do favour partial protection of greenbelt land if Greater London does expand. Have you seen Epsom property prices? Lets be honest house prices in Surrey in general are just as high as South West London. |
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Post by ADH45258 on May 15, 2020 22:50:28 GMT
I think the M25 could perhaps be a more natural border to London. This boundary would be clearer to recognise, and allows similarly distanced suburbs to be integrated into Central London. A lot of the land around the M25 is also quite rural, so avoids separating counties within a town or urban area. This would bring towns such as Watford, Dartford and Epsom into Greater London, which are already connected to TFL's bus network.
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Post by SILENCED on May 15, 2020 22:58:26 GMT
I think the M25 could perhaps be a more natural border to London. This boundary would be clearer to recognise, and allows similarly distanced suburbs to be integrated into Central London. A lot of the land around the M25 is also quite rural, so avoids separating counties within a town or urban area. This would bring towns such as Watford, Dartford and Epsom into Greater London, which are already connected to TFL's bus network. Do these places want to be part of Greater London, with an extra payment going to the GLA added to there council tax ... most of them benefit from the services without having to make a contribution. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 15, 2020 23:16:02 GMT
I think the M25 could perhaps be a more natural border to London. This boundary would be clearer to recognise, and allows similarly distanced suburbs to be integrated into Central London. A lot of the land around the M25 is also quite rural, so avoids separating counties within a town or urban area. This would bring towns such as Watford, Dartford and Epsom into Greater London, which are already connected to TFL's bus network. Do these places want to be part of Greater London, with an extra payment going to the GLA added to there council tax ... most of them benefit from the services without having to make a contribution. Reminds me of when Havering wanted to get out of the GLA, supported by the MP who seems to need to get the word Bulldog into every sentence, Andrew Rosindell. Thankfully it got voted down pretty quickly in the council. |
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Post by vjaska on May 15, 2020 23:23:20 GMT
I think the M25 could perhaps be a more natural border to London. This boundary would be clearer to recognise, and allows similarly distanced suburbs to be integrated into Central London. A lot of the land around the M25 is also quite rural, so avoids separating counties within a town or urban area. This would bring towns such as Watford, Dartford and Epsom into Greater London, which are already connected to TFL's bus network. Do these places want to be part of Greater London, with an extra payment going to the GLA added to there council tax ... most of them benefit from the services without having to make a contribution. I guess they'd have to weigh up the benefits they currently get versus the benefits of being within Greater London and decide what is best for them - Havering overwhelmingly voted to remain in Greater London as they saw the benefits of being in Greater London as worth a lot more. |
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Post by twobellstogo on May 16, 2020 12:00:55 GMT
I think the M25 could perhaps be a more natural border to London. This boundary would be clearer to recognise, and allows similarly distanced suburbs to be integrated into Central London. A lot of the land around the M25 is also quite rural, so avoids separating counties within a town or urban area. This would bring towns such as Watford, Dartford and Epsom into Greater London, which are already connected to TFL's bus network. I agree : but I still think a majority of people in the shire counties within the M25 would, given the choice, vote to remain in their shire county rather than transfer to London. Only area that I think might vote for transfer to London would be Spelthorne, which doesn’t really quite fit into Surrey. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 14:07:43 GMT
I think the M25 could perhaps be a more natural border to London. This boundary would be clearer to recognise, and allows similarly distanced suburbs to be integrated into Central London. A lot of the land around the M25 is also quite rural, so avoids separating counties within a town or urban area. This would bring towns such as Watford, Dartford and Epsom into Greater London, which are already connected to TFL's bus network. I agree : but I still think a majority of people in the shire counties within the M25 would, given the choice, vote to remain in their shire county rather than transfer to London. Only area that I think might vote for transfer to London would be Spelthorne, which doesn’t really quite fit into Surrey. I would agree about Spelthorne, let’s not forget that it was covered by the Met until 2000 when the boundaries changed and of course some local businesses campaigned in the past to have it transferred to Greater London. |
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Post by 725DYE on May 16, 2020 14:33:08 GMT
I've lived on the London/ Surrey border by entire life and have remained conflicted about this topic. On the note of Epsom, it was originally meant to be incorporated into Greater London when it expanded on the 1st of April 1965, yet the local residents complained about the possibility of rising taxes and hence it has remained in Surrey. That's why large parts of Sutton and Kingston (especially at Chessington) protrude outwards into Surrey. The border in that part of South West London/ Surrey is a complete enigma, with even the postcodes being a mess. One can walk around Banstead Woods and go through SM, CR and KT postcodes in quick succession even though it would seem most logical that it be in the Reigate (RH) postal area. Jay Foreman made a highly informative (and comical) video regarding the history of the Greater London area, as well as regarding any possibilities for future expansion. www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAusbJmRB0c |
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