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Post by galwhv69 on Aug 14, 2020 20:57:13 GMT
Not sure if this belongs here but hey, it'd just a thread after all  I've noticed that the UK doesn't have dual door buses below 9m. They would be helpful for speedy boarding & disembarkment and allow a wheelchair user to board much more easily. There is already at least one bus (the Isuzu Novociti Life) which is used in mainland Europe. I think that buses like these could work in the UK (especially London) on tight single door routes. Coming in at 7.8m, the Novociti Life would be perfect for routes like the 424 as the buses would have better manouverability, easier disabled access and a similar overall capacity. Just a thought  |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 14, 2020 21:16:35 GMT
Not sure if this belongs here but hey, it'd just a thread after all I've noticed that the UK doesn't have dual door buses below 9m. They would be helpful for speedy boarding & disembarkment and allow a wheelchair user to board much more easily. There is already at least one bus (the Isuzu Novociti Life) which is used in mainland Europe. I think that buses like these could work in the UK (especially London) on tight single door routes. Coming in at 7.8m, the Novociti Life would be perfect for routes like the 424 as the buses would have better manouverability, easier disabled access and a similar overall capacity. Just a thought The issue I forsee is how many single door single decker routes couldn't use 9.6m/9.7m single deckers? If it's a select few, then it's probably not worthwhile making a RHD model especially as it would unlikely be needed outside London. |
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Post by LJ17THF on Aug 14, 2020 21:23:07 GMT
Not sure if this belongs here but hey, it'd just a thread after all I've noticed that the UK doesn't have dual door buses below 9m. They would be helpful for speedy boarding & disembarkment and allow a wheelchair user to board much more easily. There is already at least one bus (the Isuzu Novociti Life) which is used in mainland Europe. I think that buses like these could work in the UK (especially London) on tight single door routes. Coming in at 7.8m, the Novociti Life would be perfect for routes like the 424 as the buses would have better manouverability, easier disabled access and a similar overall capacity. Just a thought I think it's because there wouldn't be too many seats, especially with TfL's strict guidelines on how big the wheelchair space is. Most routes in London also might not have enough space on the pavement, for example there might be a bush right at the bus stop, and someone might struggle to get off the bus if it's there. It would be a great idea, but most single door bus routes in London are infrequent, and are commonly backstreet bus routes, where it wouldn't be necessary . |
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Post by galwhv69 on Aug 14, 2020 21:51:34 GMT
Capacity is not that bad
Novociti Life 7.8m:21 Seated + 39 Standing = 60
WF Streetlite 8.8m:33 Seated + 39 Standing = 72
E200MMC 8.9m:32 Seated + (Unknown official capacity - Assuming around 39) = 71
Solo SR 7.8m:24 Seated + 11 Standing = 35
Just a reduction of 11/12 seats for extra door & metre less overall length
I agree with the point that not all bus stops would be suitable for a rear door but where this is possible, it would improve access for wheelchair and mobility scooter users greatly.
I also agree with there not being too many routes properly restricted to short vehicle operation (the 315/322 are good examples of routes which could take longer longer length buses) but again, this could also be used outside of London especially with routes using vehicles like minibuses or Solo's etc. as dual door buses would be more easily accesible whilst being suitable for tight routes
I guess H2/H3/631 would be alright examples of routes that these buses would be suitable for, restricted in length yet would allow easier boarding/disembarkment for passengers speeding up journeys + more capacity than Solo's
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Post by YY13VKP on Aug 14, 2020 21:52:25 GMT
Not sure if this belongs here but hey, it'd just a thread after all I've noticed that the UK doesn't have dual door buses below 9m. They would be helpful for speedy boarding & disembarkment and allow a wheelchair user to board much more easily. There is already at least one bus (the Isuzu Novociti Life) which is used in mainland Europe. I think that buses like these could work in the UK (especially London) on tight single door routes. Coming in at 7.8m, the Novociti Life would be perfect for routes like the 424 as the buses would have better manouverability, easier disabled access and a similar overall capacity. Just a thought I think it's because there wouldn't be too many seats, especially with TfL's strict guidelines on how big the wheelchair space is. Most routes in London also might not have enough space on the pavement, for example there might be a bush right at the bus stop, and someone might struggle to get off the bus if it's there. It would be a great idea, but most single door bus routes in London are infrequent, and are commonly backstreet bus routes, where it wouldn't be necessary . Exactly that. Some routes are not allowed to use dual door buses as there is no suitable place for a wheelchair ramp to be released safely, particularly on routes which have Hail and Ride sections which contain a high amount of parked cars and trees blocking the pavement. Using that logic however, god knows how dual door SD's are permitted on the 463, having been round the Woodmansterne Hail and Ride section recently there were a lot of parked cars along the hail and ride section! |
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Post by Hassaan on Aug 14, 2020 22:14:22 GMT
Not sure if this belongs here but hey, it'd just a thread after all I've noticed that the UK doesn't have dual door buses below 9m. They would be helpful for speedy boarding & disembarkment and allow a wheelchair user to board much more easily. There is already at least one bus (the Isuzu Novociti Life) which is used in mainland Europe. I think that buses like these could work in the UK (especially London) on tight single door routes. Coming in at 7.8m, the Novociti Life would be perfect for routes like the 424 as the buses would have better manouverability, easier disabled access and a similar overall capacity. Just a thought Given that we already end up with complaints about having only 24 seats, only 5 fully low seats, and a lack of legroom at the same time, reducing one or more even further would fill up these pages even more with complaints, especially as TfL don't do tip-up seats! People in the UK also don't squash up as much when busy, so the reduced standing capacity will also be felt. The main reason for having the massive number of doors in mainland Europe is because they allow boarding at all doors to really reduce dwell times, but that comes at the expense of seats, which again was a huge complaint when we had bendy buses replace double deckers. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 15, 2020 1:05:29 GMT
Capacity is not that bad Novociti Life 7.8m:21 Seated + 39 Standing = 60 WF Streetlite 8.8m:33 Seated + 39 Standing = 72 E200MMC 8.9m:32 Seated + (Unknown official capacity - Assuming around 39) = 71 Solo SR 7.8m:24 Seated + 11 Standing = 35 Just a reduction of 11/12 seats for extra door & metre less overall length I agree with the point that not all bus stops would be suitable for a rear door but where this is possible, it would improve access for wheelchair and mobility scooter users greatly. I also agree with there not being too many routes properly restricted to short vehicle operation (the 315/322 are good examples of routes which could take longer longer length buses) but again, this could also be used outside of London especially with routes using vehicles like minibuses or Solo's etc. as dual door buses would be more easily accesible whilst being suitable for tight routes I guess H2/H3/631 would be alright examples of routes that these buses would be suitable for, restricted in length yet would allow easier boarding/disembarkment for passengers speeding up journeys + more capacity than Solo's I agree with the capacity argument - was pretty impressed when I looked it up earlier and saw it seats 21 which is about 3-4 seats less than a MMC Enviro 200 which is usually 25 seats. The Hampstead Garden routes would probably be the ideal beneficiaries for such vehicles especially the H2 which is a busy and frequent service  |
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Post by LJ17THF on Aug 15, 2020 10:19:55 GMT
Using that logic however, god knows how dual door SD's are permitted on the 463, having been round the Woodmansterne Hail and Ride section recently there were a lot of parked cars along the hail and ride section! Surprisingly, the 463 had 10.2m buses initially, but it got 8.8m buses from other routes, and it has stayed like that since it happened according to www.londonbusroutes.net/photos/463.htm . |
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