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Post by wirewiper on Sept 25, 2020 16:12:05 GMT
Following revelations that leisure train travel is recovering far faster than travel to work, train operators could be facing a "back to the '50s" future where peak demand for capacity is on summer weekend trains to the seaside, rather than the Monday-Friday commute. The chair of Network Rail, Sir Peter Hendy, said: “Leisure travel has returned quicker than work travel … A scenario we might have in our heads is going back to the 1950s, when maximum traffic was on summer Saturdays rather than weekday peak hours.” www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/sep/18/uk-rail-boss-says-its-back-to-the-50s-as-day-trips-replace-commute |
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 26, 2020 21:02:17 GMT
Travel to work hasn't been bad for me, finishing a 3 week IT gig in Watford, fast Class 350 from Euston direct to Watford Junction. Trains are still empty as most are still working from home following mixed government messages.
I think summer is done, so I think operators will struggle, hence all the franchises being cancelled, and a new type of contract brought in. A form of re nationalising, on the rail forum they are talking about a standard front to be put on station platform signage throughout the country...
I think they will still be running empty trains and the government shelling out for it
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Post by route53 on Sept 29, 2020 1:10:08 GMT
Travel patterns will change for years to come, what with the recession a lot of things will be redrawn.
Personally I can see another timetable reshuffle in the next couple of years, people are leaving London for starters and the ones remaining will push to work from home if they can, me personally I’m planning on moving first to Windsor in the interim then on to Bath, lockdown has made me want to leave London and there are others like me
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Post by vjaska on Sept 29, 2020 2:51:46 GMT
Travel patterns will change for years to come, what with the recession a lot of things will be redrawn. Personally I can see another timetable reshuffle in the next couple of years, people are leaving London for starters and the ones remaining will push to work from home if they can, me personally I’m planning on moving first to Windsor in the interim then on to Bath, lockdown has made me want to leave London and there are others like me It's still far too early to know what will happen in regards to travel patterns - for example, you mention working from home yet there are a sizable group of people who actually miss office life or find working from home distracting or impractical and want to head back hence the big hullabaloo when offices made their work environment Covid safe for then the government to change their message to work from home if possible. |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 29, 2020 5:32:23 GMT
Travel patterns will change for years to come, what with the recession a lot of things will be redrawn. Personally I can see another timetable reshuffle in the next couple of years, people are leaving London for starters and the ones remaining will push to work from home if they can, me personally I’m planning on moving first to Windsor in the interim then on to Bath, lockdown has made me want to leave London and there are others like me Definitely and obviously half empty peak hour trains cannot go on running forever more just as bus routes like the 521 and X68 can't. There has been a trend towards working from home for sometime now and Covid has speeded up that trend. A friend of mine used to live ten minutes from Orpington Station, ideal for the commute to work but when he started working from home there was no need to live there anymore, he bought a similar sized house down the coast for about half the price and is now ten minutes from the beach, he goes into the office in Central London about once a month now. Does anybody really want to spend (waste?) a few hours every day on the daily grind commuting to and from work? On the original point, clearly the rail industry is going to be far more geared up towards leisure travel in the future. |
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Post by snowman on Sept 29, 2020 5:44:01 GMT
Travel patterns will change for years to come, what with the recession a lot of things will be redrawn. Personally I can see another timetable reshuffle in the next couple of years, people are leaving London for starters and the ones remaining will push to work from home if they can, me personally I’m planning on moving first to Windsor in the interim then on to Bath, lockdown has made me want to leave London and there are others like me I left Kingston for near Bath few weeks ago, don’t regret it, mainly work from home, with reduced hours (but take home pay goes down much lower proportion due to quirks of PAYE system), things are cheaper here, my local town centre (Corsham) has free parking, a pub meal is less etc. It’s more relaxed and traffic jams are rare. I will go up to the office if required (probably only going to happen once every 2 months), and company will probably cut desk space at next annual review, but retain some meeting rooms. Unfortunately London’s anti car policy is going to put pressure on public transport system to get people out of London at weekends which is the point being made in title of this thread. |
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Post by route53 on Sept 29, 2020 10:20:25 GMT
Travel patterns will change for years to come, what with the recession a lot of things will be redrawn. Personally I can see another timetable reshuffle in the next couple of years, people are leaving London for starters and the ones remaining will push to work from home if they can, me personally I’m planning on moving first to Windsor in the interim then on to Bath, lockdown has made me want to leave London and there are others like me It's still far too early to know what will happen in regards to travel patterns - for example, you mention working from home yet there are a sizable group of people who actually miss office life or find working from home distracting or impractical and want to head back hence the big hullabaloo when offices made their work environment Covid safe for then the government to change their message to work from home if possible. A lot of offices are encouraging “week in/week out” system and many workers are requesting to work from Home 2/3 days a week, Covid will go away but this new way of working is here to stay. I’m sure there are people who will continue to work in offices but no where near to the levels of pre Covid times, not for a long while to come. |
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 29, 2020 10:28:49 GMT
It's still far too early to know what will happen in regards to travel patterns - for example, you mention working from home yet there are a sizable group of people who actually miss office life or find working from home distracting or impractical and want to head back hence the big hullabaloo when offices made their work environment Covid safe for then the government to change their message to work from home if possible. A lot of offices are encouraging “week in/week out” system and many workers are requesting to work from Home 2/3 days a week, Covid will go away but this new way of working is here to stay. I’m sure there are people who will continue to work in offices but no where near to the levels of pre Covid times, not for a long while to come. The new travel patterns might actually benefit the railways. A lot of expensive assets sit in depots and sidings for much of the day to service two hours of peak commuter demand twice a day (and five days out of seven in a week). If a decline demand for business and work travel coincides with a growth in leisure travel, fewer assets may be needed overall but they will be used more effectively. |
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Post by route53 on Sept 29, 2020 10:30:35 GMT
Travel patterns will change for years to come, what with the recession a lot of things will be redrawn. Personally I can see another timetable reshuffle in the next couple of years, people are leaving London for starters and the ones remaining will push to work from home if they can, me personally I’m planning on moving first to Windsor in the interim then on to Bath, lockdown has made me want to leave London and there are others like me I left Kingston for near Bath few weeks ago, don’t regret it, mainly work from home, with reduced hours (but take home pay goes down much lower proportion due to quirks of PAYE system), things are cheaper here, my local town centre (Corsham) has free parking, a pub meal is less etc. It’s more relaxed and traffic jams are rare. I will go up to the office if required (probably only going to happen once every 2 months), and company will probably cut desk space at next annual review, but retain some meeting rooms. Unfortunately London’s anti car policy is going to put pressure on public transport system to get people out of London at weekends which is the point being made in title of this thread. Congrats on leaving the big smoke, how are you finding it down there? Bath is where my family and I want to end up, it’s a nice small city that is largely self contained, for the meantime my plan is to move to Windsor, I work as a Teaching assistant part time and I can take my job anywhere the other days I study at the University of Greenwich, from February that’ll be two days a week, I have zero issue commuting from Windsor to Greenwich 2 days a week. Yes the big issue is that they are haphazardly building new cycle lanes, which is good but it’s causing major traffic around London. Things like the X68 will probably either end up being binned or be made to run all day for social distancing, it’s rather interesting times either way for the transportation system |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 29, 2020 11:53:35 GMT
It's still far too early to know what will happen in regards to travel patterns - for example, you mention working from home yet there are a sizable group of people who actually miss office life or find working from home distracting or impractical and want to head back hence the big hullabaloo when offices made their work environment Covid safe for then the government to change their message to work from home if possible. A lot of offices are encouraging “week in/week out” system and many workers are requesting to work from Home 2/3 days a week, Covid will go away but this new way of working is here to stay. I’m sure there are people who will continue to work in offices but no where near to the levels of pre Covid times, not for a long while to come. I never said it would be on the levels of pre Covid but equally, don’t underestimate how many would return back to their offices - my best mate works in an office and whilst he was going to stay at home long term, many of his colleagues were looking forward to returning to the office - his words not mine. If the demand wasn’t there, a big commotion wouldn’t of happened regarding offices making their working environments safe only for the government to U-turn yet again. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 12:04:47 GMT
Travel patterns will change for years to come, what with the recession a lot of things will be redrawn. Personally I can see another timetable reshuffle in the next couple of years, people are leaving London for starters and the ones remaining will push to work from home if they can, me personally I’m planning on moving first to Windsor in the interim then on to Bath, lockdown has made me want to leave London and there are others like me It's still far too early to know what will happen in regards to travel patterns - for example, you mention working from home yet there are a sizable group of people who actually miss office life or find working from home distracting or impractical and want to head back hence the big hullabaloo when offices made their work environment Covid safe for then the government to change their message to work from home if possible. Exactly! I'll eat humble pie if im wrong but pretty sure things will return to normal at some stage in 2021. The novelty of home working is fading fast. |
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Post by route53 on Sept 29, 2020 16:31:32 GMT
Travel patterns will change for years to come, what with the recession a lot of things will be redrawn. Personally I can see another timetable reshuffle in the next couple of years, people are leaving London for starters and the ones remaining will push to work from home if they can, me personally I’m planning on moving first to Windsor in the interim then on to Bath, lockdown has made me want to leave London and there are others like me Definitely and obviously half empty peak hour trains cannot go on running forever more just as bus routes like the 521 and X68 can't. There has been a trend towards working from home for sometime now and Covid has speeded up that trend. A friend of mine used to live ten minutes from Orpington Station, ideal for the commute to work but when he started working from home there was no need to live there anymore, he bought a similar sized house down the coast for about half the price and is now ten minutes from the beach, he goes into the office in Central London about once a month now. Does anybody really want to spend (waste?) a few hours every day on the daily grind commuting to and from work? On the original point, clearly the rail industry is going to be far more geared up towards leisure travel in the future. Wasn’t the trend in the post war years of the 1950s-60s basically geared to leisure travel and outer suburban passengers? |
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