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Post by M1104 on Sept 26, 2020 11:40:48 GMT
The original Stockwell Station on the Northern Line was like neighbouring stations Clapham North and Clapham Common in that it had a narrow island platform. The old station is barely evident in what is now the barely¹ used crossover section of tunnel just north of the present station. This would explain why the platforms are on the left side for approaching trains as 'Stockwell mk2' was constructed in what was then the tunnels just south of island platform 'Stockwell mk1'.
Clapham North Station used to be called Clapham Road, the name change done in conjunction with the Morden extension
Clapham Common Station used to be the Northern Line's southern terminus prior to its extension to Morden in 1926. This explains the shape of the northbound tunnel face as the crossover section was then active.
Clapham South Station almost opened up at Nightingale Lane, changed to the former at somewhat the last minute
Tooting Bec used to be called Trinity Road, the name change done in 1950
South Wimbledon's platform roundels all used to display South Wimbledon (Merton). Only one roundel remains that way, the last one on the southbound platform prior to the tunnel entrance towards Morden
¹ - I believe still used for rare emergency purposes
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Post by John tuthill on Sept 26, 2020 12:44:58 GMT
The original Stockwell Station on the Northern Line was like neighbouring stations Clapham North and Clapham Common in that it had a narrow island platform. The old station is barely evident in what is now the barely¹ used crossover section of tunnel just north of the present station. This would explain why the platforms are on the left side for approaching trains as 'Stockwell mk2' was constructed in what was then the tunnels just south of island platform 'Stockwell mk1'. Clapham North Station used to be called Clapham Road, the name change done in conjunction with the Morden extension Clapham Common Station used to be the Northern Line's southern terminus prior to its extension to Morden in 1926. This explains the shape of the northbound tunnel face as the crossover section was then active. Clapham South Station almost opened up at Nightingale Lane, changed to the former at somewhat the last minute Tooting Bec used to be called Trinity Road, the name change done in 1950 South Wimbledon's platform roundels all used to display South Wimbledon (Merton). Only one roundel remains that way, the last one on the southbound platform prior to the tunnel entrance towards Morden ¹ - I believe still used for rare emergency purposes And for our younger readers wondering what a 'Bec' is was.......... Attachment Deleted
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Post by rebbelhead on Sept 26, 2020 12:44:58 GMT
Inspired by the popular “Trivial But Unique” thread, I’ve decided to start one here. (Plus this part of the thread is pretty dead). I’ll start: The distance between Manor House and Turnpike Lane is one of the longest distance between two Underground stations. But there could’ve been one in between called St Ann’s. I assume it wasn’t built because of the financial implications of the Piccadilly line extension back in the 70s. I wonder if it will become a station soon. Who knows? Central Line from Mile End to Stratford must be one of the longest too! trains used to get up to some pretty decent speeds on that section back in the day. Manor House to Turnpike is long but there was never a serious intention to have an intermediate station there. By the time the Piccadilly was extended (in the early 1930s - not sure where the notion of 1970s came from) the emphasis was on speed and, from the early tubes experience, a realisation that closely-spaced stations were not viable. Never is a big word, but I honestly think it would apply to the suggestion of a station there now - what a colossal waste of money just to slow down the journey! Pie in the sky methinks, sorry. Having a Northern extension to Sutton is a popular suggestion, but exploratory work over recent decades always came to the same conclusion - the Northern can barely handle the traffic on the Morden line anyway, and simply doesn't have the capacity to handle the extra that Sutton would generate. In the 1990s it was realised that even the capacity increase through better signalling (and thus more trains) would only result in greater demand - a bit like widening the M25. The same was found on the Victoria line, hence the Herne Hill extension never going ahead.
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Post by M1104 on Sept 26, 2020 13:31:23 GMT
. Having a Northern extension to Sutton is a popular suggestion, but exploratory work over recent decades always came to the same conclusion - the Northern can barely handle the traffic on the Morden line anyway, and simply doesn't have the capacity to handle the extra that Sutton would generate. In the 1990s it was realised that even the capacity increase through better signalling (and thus more trains) would only result in greater demand - a bit like widening the M25. Such a pity on that as well as the most southern tracks at Morden depot are somewhat a stone throw away from connecting to the line for Sutton...a case of "so close yet so far" in more ways than one
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Post by Green Kitten on Sept 26, 2020 15:59:22 GMT
The Northern Line was originally to have ended at Sutton but due to suburban railways owning part of the land along the proposal route negotiations were made for the Underground to instead end at Morden. Interesting. Would’ve been great for Sutton residents to get an Underground service. Can’t imagine how rammed that branch of the Northern line would have been if that was the case.
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 26, 2020 16:08:00 GMT
Central Line from Mile End to Stratford must be one of the longest too! trains used to get up to some pretty decent speeds on that section back in the day. Manor House to Turnpike is long but there was never a serious intention to have an intermediate station there. By the time the Piccadilly was extended (in the early 1930s - not sure where the notion of 1970s came from) the emphasis was on speed and, from the early tubes experience, a realisation that closely-spaced stations were not viable. Never is a big word, but I honestly think it would apply to the suggestion of a station there now - what a colossal waste of money just to slow down the journey! Pie in the sky methinks, sorry. Probably was fast back in the day, doesn’t feel that way anymore.
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Post by Green Kitten on Sept 26, 2020 16:16:59 GMT
Seven Sisters to Finsbury Park is the longest - 3.15km.
1. Seven Sisters - Finsbury Park: 3.15km 2. Stratford - Mile End: 2.83km 3. Highbury & Islington - King’s Cross: 2.45km 4. Canada Water - Canary Wharf: 2.41km 5. Turnpike Lane - Manor House: 2.32km
Turnpike to Manor seems longer because the 1973 just isn’t as speedy as the 1992s, 1996s and 2009s!
EDIT: Of course Stratford is technically outside. So, on that note, Gants Hill - Newbury Park (2.37km) is slightly longer than Turnpike to Manor.
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 26, 2020 16:48:06 GMT
Central Line from Mile End to Stratford must be one of the longest too! trains used to get up to some pretty decent speeds on that section back in the day. Manor House to Turnpike is long but there was never a serious intention to have an intermediate station there. By the time the Piccadilly was extended (in the early 1930s - not sure where the notion of 1970s came from) the emphasis was on speed and, from the early tubes experience, a realisation that closely-spaced stations were not viable. Never is a big word, but I honestly think it would apply to the suggestion of a station there now - what a colossal waste of money just to slow down the journey! Pie in the sky methinks, sorry. <snip> And of course the Piccadilly Line as first constructed in 1907 (when it was the Great Northern Piccadilly & Brompton Railway) had very closely-spaced stations in the centre - still does in the case of Covent Garden, from where light from the platforms at Leicester Square can be seen. Another was Brompton Road between Knightsbridge and South Kensington; in order to speed up the service many trains did not call, and the guards' cry of "Passing Brompton Road" became so notorious it was even used as the title of a comedy play. The station closed in 1934 when Knightsbridge was rebuilt with a new southern entrance part-way along Brompton Road. And of course there was Down Street in Mayfair, between Hyde Park Corner and Green Park, which was also non-stopped by many trains and closed in 1932 due to lack of custom. The Piccadilly Line was actually an amalgam of two separate schemes, which helps to explain its unique Westbound-Northbound orientation across Central London and also the branch line to Aldwych which closed in 1994. The station was originally named Strand, which was carried on tiling above the station entrance. When the station was renamed in 1915 a new canopy bearing the new name obscured the tiles, but after the station was closed the canopy was taken down to reveal the tiles once more.
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Post by M1104 on Sept 26, 2020 17:05:48 GMT
Seven Sisters to Finsbury Park is the longest - 3.15km. 1. Seven Sisters - Finsbury Park: 3.15km 2. Stratford - Mile End: 2.83km 3. Highbury & Islington - King’s Cross: 2.45km 4. Canada Water - Canary Wharf: 2.41km 5. Turnpike Lane - Manor House: 2.32km Turnpike to Manor seems longer because the 1973 just isn’t as speedy as the 1992s, 1996s and 2009s! EDIT: Of course Stratford is technically outside. So, on that note, Gants Hill - Newbury Park (2.37km) is slightly longer than Turnpike to Manor. Will be interesting to know the distance from Kennington to Nine Elms along the Northern Line Extension.
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 26, 2020 17:29:31 GMT
The original Stockwell Station on the Northern Line was like neighbouring stations Clapham North and Clapham Common in that it had a narrow island platform. The old station is barely evident in what is now the barely¹ used crossover section of tunnel just north of the present station. This would explain why the platforms are on the left side for approaching trains as 'Stockwell mk2' was constructed in what was then the tunnels just south of island platform 'Stockwell mk1'. <snip> Euston (City branch), Angel and the long-closed City Road* also had island platforms. At Euston the southbound platform was extended over the northbound tracks in the 1960s when the station was remodelled to allow cross-platform interchange with the Victoria Line; the northbound line was rerouted into a new tunnel with its own platform. Angel was rebuilt in 1992 due to increasing numbers of users, again the southbound platform was extended over the northbound track, which was diverted into a new tunnel with a new platform. At the same time a new station entrance and escalators replaced the former entrance and lifts on the corner of Torrens Street. Unusually for the time, the case for rebuilding Angel was justified on safety rather than cost/benefit criteria. *The entrance to City Road Station was at the corner of Central Street. The station's ventilation shaft survived until 2010 and could be clearly seen from City Road.
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Post by M1104 on Sept 26, 2020 17:42:42 GMT
The original Stockwell Station on the Northern Line was like neighbouring stations Clapham North and Clapham Common in that it had a narrow island platform. The old station is barely evident in what is now the barely¹ used crossover section of tunnel just north of the present station. This would explain why the platforms are on the left side for approaching trains as 'Stockwell mk2' was constructed in what was then the tunnels just south of island platform 'Stockwell mk1'. <snip> Euston (City branch), Angel and the long-closed City Road also had island platforms. At Euston the southbound platform was extended over the northbound tracks in the 1960s when the station was remodelled to allow cross-platform interchange with the Victoria Line; the northbound line was rerouted into a new tunnel with its own platform. Angel was rebuilt in 1992 due to increasing numbers of users, again the southbound platform was extended over the northbound track, which was diverted into a new tunnel with a new platform. At the same time a new station entrance and escalators replaced the former entrance and lifts on the corner of Torrens Street. Unusually for the time, the case for rebuilding Angel was justified on safety rather than cost/benefit criteria. The two Claphams could certainly do with the upgrades, especially now that Clapham High Street now has more frequent services with the Overground. Meanwhile a rebuilt Clapham Common would be able to remain open during summer concerts at the actual Common, baring in mind the present situation but thinking on the future.
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 26, 2020 18:03:28 GMT
Interesting one this. All tube stations that aren’t managed by TFL are all on the District Line. They are: Richmond, Barking, Wimbledon and Upminister.
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Post by M1104 on Sept 27, 2020 8:51:42 GMT
In the 70s some trains upon arriving at Tooting Broadway would then announce that the next stop would be Morden, those trains then about to do a fast run passing Collier's Wood and South Wimbledon (Merton) stations. As a kid i used to think that the siding tunnel just after Tooting Broadway's southbound platform was where the fast trains went.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 27, 2020 12:11:14 GMT
Seven Sisters to Finsbury Park is the longest - 3.15km. 1. Seven Sisters - Finsbury Park: 3.15km 2. Stratford - Mile End: 2.83km 3. Highbury & Islington - King’s Cross: 2.45km 4. Canada Water - Canary Wharf: 2.41km 5. Turnpike Lane - Manor House: 2.32km Turnpike to Manor seems longer because the 1973 just isn’t as speedy as the 1992s, 1996s and 2009s! EDIT: Of course Stratford is technically outside. So, on that note, Gants Hill - Newbury Park (2.37km) is slightly longer than Turnpike to Manor. Heathrow T4-Heathrow 2,3: 4.31km
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 28, 2020 12:15:40 GMT
Seven Sisters to Finsbury Park is the longest - 3.15km. 1. Seven Sisters - Finsbury Park: 3.15km 2. Stratford - Mile End: 2.83km 3. Highbury & Islington - King’s Cross: 2.45km 4. Canada Water - Canary Wharf: 2.41km 5. Turnpike Lane - Manor House: 2.32km Turnpike to Manor seems longer because the 1973 just isn’t as speedy as the 1992s, 1996s and 2009s! EDIT: Of course Stratford is technically outside. So, on that note, Gants Hill - Newbury Park (2.37km) is slightly longer than Turnpike to Manor. Heathrow T4-Heathrow 2,3: 4.31km Chesham to Chalfont and Latimer trumps that; 6.3km. It’s actually the longest distance between two LU stations on the network.
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