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Post by wirewiper on Oct 14, 2020 9:28:21 GMT
When Greater London came into being on 1st April 1965, it was the culmination of several years' work by the Herbert Commission to reorganise London's local government. By 1950 the city had assumed more or less the form it has today, but the local government did not reflect that. The London County Council was still constrained by its 1889 boundaries and large swathes of what we now think of as very much part of London were outside, for instance Acton, Tottenham, Stratford. All these places were governed by a mixture of County Boroughs, Municipal Boroughs and Urban Districts. When the Herbert Commission published its final report in 1960, it proposed 52 London Boroughs, which was eventually whittled down to the 33 we have today. Part of this was because some of the proposed new Boroughs were considered too small and were merged with others (indeed only nine of today's Boroughs were created more-or-less as per the proposals including Harrow, the only pre-1965 local authority that survived with its previous boundaries unchanged*). However a number of areas lobbied against being swallowed up into Greater London, especially in Surrey where there are now large areas that are effectively a continuous part of the London urban area but are not administered as such - Chelsham, Banstead, Staines and the whole of what are now the Boroughs of Epsom and Spelthorne. Other notable omissions were Cheshunt (originally to be part of Enfield) and Chigwell which would have been part of a new Borough of Woodford. Surprisingly, some places were ruled out in the final report despite having been considered initially - Dartford in particular despite it merging seamlessly with the proposed new Borough of Bexley, and Watford and Waltham Holy Cross were also excluded from the final report. If you are interested to read more (and to find out where you might have ended up living): www.citymetric.com/politics/herbert-commission-here-are-52-london-boroughs-could-have-been-2115* Harrow Urban District had been created in 1934, the exact same boundaries were used for the London Borough of Harrow in 1965. There were some tweaks around the Harrow-Hertsmere boundary in the 1990s which saw parts of Elstree and Bushey Heath leave the Borough. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 14:32:23 GMT
When Greater London came into being on 1st April 1965, it was the culmination of several years' work by the Herbert Commission to reorganise London's local government. By 1950 the city had assumed more or less the form it has today, but the local government did not reflect that. The London County Council was still constrained by its 1889 boundaries and large swathes of what we now think of as very much part of London were outside, for instance Acton, Tottenham, Stratford. All these places were governed by a mixture of County Boroughs, Municipal Boroughs and Urban Districts. When the Herbert Commission published its final report in 1960, it proposed 52 London Boroughs, which was eventually whittled down to the 33 we have today. Part of this was because some of the proposed new Boroughs were considered too small and were merged with others (indeed only nine of today's Boroughs were created more-or-less as per the proposals including Harrow, the only pre-1965 local authority that survived with its previous boundaries unchanged*). However a number of areas lobbied against being swallowed up into Greater London, especially in Surrey where there are now large areas that are effectively a continuous part of the London urban area but are not administered as such - Chelsham, Banstead, Staines and the whole of what are now the Boroughs of Epsom and Spelthorne. Other notable omissions were Cheshunt (originally to be part of Enfield) and Chigwell which would have been part of a new Borough of Woodford. Surprisingly, some places were ruled out in the final report despite having been considered initially - Dartford in particular despite it merging seamlessly with the proposed new Borough of Bexley, and Watford and Waltham Holy Cross were also excluded from the final report. If you are interested to read more (and to find out where you might have ended up living): www.citymetric.com/politics/herbert-commission-here-are-52-london-boroughs-could-have-been-2115* Harrow Urban District had been created in 1934, the exact same boundaries were used for the London Borough of Harrow in 1965. There were some tweaks around the Harrow-Hertsmere boundary in the 1990s which saw parts of Elstree and Bushey Heath leave the Borough. This didn’t stop the Metropolitan police serving most of the areas mentioned that fell out of the scope for being included within London. Up until the creation of the GLA, the Met had stations at Bushey, Radlett, Potters Bar, Cheshunt, Borehamwood, Esher, Cobham, East Molesey, Sunbury, Stanies, Epsom & Banstead. May have been more, particularly in Essex but not that familiar. Most are quite nice buildings which still stand, although most aren’t police stations anymore, in fact I think only Epsom and Banstead are. |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 14, 2020 16:03:44 GMT
When Greater London came into being on 1st April 1965, it was the culmination of several years' work by the Herbert Commission to reorganise London's local government. By 1950 the city had assumed more or less the form it has today, but the local government did not reflect that. The London County Council was still constrained by its 1889 boundaries and large swathes of what we now think of as very much part of London were outside, for instance Acton, Tottenham, Stratford. All these places were governed by a mixture of County Boroughs, Municipal Boroughs and Urban Districts. When the Herbert Commission published its final report in 1960, it proposed 52 London Boroughs, which was eventually whittled down to the 33 we have today. Part of this was because some of the proposed new Boroughs were considered too small and were merged with others (indeed only nine of today's Boroughs were created more-or-less as per the proposals including Harrow, the only pre-1965 local authority that survived with its previous boundaries unchanged*). However a number of areas lobbied against being swallowed up into Greater London, especially in Surrey where there are now large areas that are effectively a continuous part of the London urban area but are not administered as such - Chelsham, Banstead, Staines and the whole of what are now the Boroughs of Epsom and Spelthorne. Other notable omissions were Cheshunt (originally to be part of Enfield) and Chigwell which would have been part of a new Borough of Woodford. Surprisingly, some places were ruled out in the final report despite having been considered initially - Dartford in particular despite it merging seamlessly with the proposed new Borough of Bexley, and Watford and Waltham Holy Cross were also excluded from the final report. If you are interested to read more (and to find out where you might have ended up living): www.citymetric.com/politics/herbert-commission-here-are-52-london-boroughs-could-have-been-2115* Harrow Urban District had been created in 1934, the exact same boundaries were used for the London Borough of Harrow in 1965. There were some tweaks around the Harrow-Hertsmere boundary in the 1990s which saw parts of Elstree and Bushey Heath leave the Borough. This didn’t stop the Metropolitan police serving most of the areas mentioned that fell out of the scope for being included within London. Up until the creation of the GLA, the Met had stations at Bushey, Radlett, Potters Bar, Cheshunt, Borehamwood, Esher, Cobham, East Molesey, Sunbury, Stanies, Epsom & Banstead. May have been more, particularly in Essex but not that familiar. Most are quite nice buildings which still stand, although most aren’t police stations anymore, in fact I think only Epsom and Banstead are. It's also notable that a lot of those places were well served by Central Area red bus routes - there was quite a network in particular around Esher and Walton-on-Thames, the only red bus routes that venture into that area now are the K3 to Esher and the 411 to West Molesey. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 16:15:20 GMT
This didn’t stop the Metropolitan police serving most of the areas mentioned that fell out of the scope for being included within London. Up until the creation of the GLA, the Met had stations at Bushey, Radlett, Potters Bar, Cheshunt, Borehamwood, Esher, Cobham, East Molesey, Sunbury, Stanies, Epsom & Banstead. May have been more, particularly in Essex but not that familiar. Most are quite nice buildings which still stand, although most aren’t police stations anymore, in fact I think only Epsom and Banstead are. It's also notable that a lot of those places were well served by Central Area red bus routes - there was quite a network in particular around Esher and Walton-on-Thames, the only red bus routes that venture into that area now are the K3 to Esher and the 411 to West Molesey. Yes indeed. Notable that areas of Essex and Kent lost many and yet Herts, Elmbridge , Spelthorne still have many TfL services. |
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 27, 2020 16:41:21 GMT
The London postcode area doesn't really correspond to the Greater London area, it was originally set up to cover a radius of approximately ten miles from Central London so it contained places that were both inside the old (pre-1965) County of London and outside, such as Willesden and Tottenham. When the County of Greater London was formed the General Post Office was asked to re-designate all EN, IG/RM, DA/BR, CR, KT/TW, UB and HA codes within London to the N, E, SE, SW, SW, W and NW areas. The GPO refused due to the cost, which would have been colossal. As it is there is one settlement that has a London postcode but is not in London; that is Sewardstone in Essex (north of Chingford) which is in the E4 postcode area.
The telephones did better, with only Hillingdon and Havering boroughs having a significant number of non-020 numbers - Hillingdon has mostly Uxbridge 01895 codes with a few Watford 01923 codes in Northwood, and most Havering numbers are 01708 Romford codes. Bexley has Dartford 01322 codes in the Erith & Crayford area, Bromley has Orpington 01689 codes in an area which also includes New Addington in neighbouring Croydon, whilst Biggin Hill has the 01959 Westerham-Otford code. Croydon has a few numbers in the extreme south of the Borough with Redhill 01737 codes. There are six exchanges that have London 020 codes despite being outside Greater London: Bushey Heath, Elstree (Borehamwood), Hainault, Loughton, Ewell, and Thames Ditton.
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