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Post by Catford94 on Mar 2, 2023 0:26:06 GMT
Thank everyone for answering my questions. And I never knew I could get a ticket for using my preserved bus on a bus lane. In terms of family and friends like you said I have to let someone know in advance I'll be using my preserved bus With a single decker bus I can carry a full bus with family and friends as long I've got permission from my insurance. Now let's say Because I'm a Christian, my church wants to go to a church event in Wembley for example and in my insurance its it allowed as its helping out?
Some bus lanes etc are OK - just depends what the sign shows - some have the word 'local' across the white on blue bus on the sign, some don't.
You might have to let your insurers know in advance, you might not. You don't have to let anyone 'in authority' know if you're going to drive a licensed vehicle on the public highway any more than you would do if you go out in your car.
It doesn't make any difference what size the bus is whether you can take a full load or not - if you have a full PCV driving licence then that side of it is covered, if you don't have a PCV then I don't see how you can. But yes, your insurance would need you to cover you to do that, either in terms of not having a limit on passenger numbers, or on a X number of days a year basis.
The church event or similar is possibly a grey area. If you are doing it on a purely voluntary basis, and paying all the costs yourself, and neither the church or the passengers are paying you, then the best I can say is possibly but I'm not sure I'd want to do it. (I'm not a lawyer and I don't work for DVSA or similar.)
At one point in time, organisations like schools, churches, scout groups and the like could run a bus without the driver / vehicle / operator being PSV licensed - so could contractors and factories so long as nobody was paying directly or indirectly to travel. This pretty much stopped in the early 1990s when many of the rules changed.
There is the concept of 'permit' operation where a non-profit organisation can run a bus without going through the full PSV operator licensing system. There's more here, and I'm not an expert on it.
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Post by Transportman91 on Mar 21, 2023 12:38:46 GMT
I've got a question to ask.
U know when the NL Collection organised the Low-ish Floor running day last year how did there do that. As I want to one day help out or organise my own running day. I know it comes with a lot of responsibility.
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Post by 6HP502C on Mar 22, 2023 22:52:29 GMT
I've got a question to ask. U know when the NL Collection organised the Low-ish Floor running day last year how did there do that. As I want to one day help out or organise my own running day. I know it comes with a lot of responsibility. There are a few tasks to do - planning and testing the routes, creating schedules and duties, getting people to and from the event, getting the green light from the relevant councils, getting people to bring their buses without remuneration, marketing and publicity and dealing with any issues that may arise on the day.
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Post by Catford94 on Mar 23, 2023 1:01:56 GMT
I've got a question to ask. U know when the NL Collection organised the Low-ish Floor running day last year how did there do that. As I want to one day help out or organise my own running day. I know it comes with a lot of responsibility.
The National Association of Road Transport Museums (NARTM) publishes a guidance document on running days - it used to be available by post for a modest charge, but is now downloadable as a pdf from their website (link towards the bottom of this page.)
There are some aspects of running days which are interpreted differently by different organisers - there are some greyish areas around whether something is genuinely free or if it classes as 'hire and reward' that would probably need a test case in court to establish whether they are legal or not. In events I have been involved in organising, my attitude is that I don't want to be the one who gets taken to court for doing something borderline...
Also, the laws around just what you can do with a non PSV licensed vehicle (and a non PSV licensed driver) have changed a bit over the last 30 or so years, and there are people out there who think that because something was legal in 1990, it still is. They may not be right.
I'm probably stating the obvious here, but events like Ensign's annual December running day do involve paying for travel, this is possible and legal because Ensign Bus are (or certainly were until a week or two ago) a fully licensed PSV operator, and the day's routes were registered with the Traffic Commissioners' Office as local bus services. I think there are a couple of museums out there who are also fully licensed (I'm not going to name the ones I'm thinking of, in case I've remembered wrong.)
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Post by VPL630 on Mar 23, 2023 21:15:28 GMT
I've got a question to ask. U know when the NL Collection organised the Low-ish Floor running day last year how did there do that. As I want to one day help out or organise my own running day. I know it comes with a lot of responsibility. An obscene amount of money, time and effort was put into that, a lot of communication with the council on what was going to happen, scheduling, spare buses, stands with space and many many other issues. None of the routes were registered and it was a free operation hence anything could be used and no operator license is required. I’ll say now, it really isn’t just as simple as just saying I’m going to do this on this day and it’s going to work, it had been in the works for months if not a year, also finding a date that doesn’t clash with another event is another problem, I think if it happens again it will be on a day that’s a bit cooler
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Post by vjaska on Mar 23, 2023 23:21:18 GMT
I've got a question to ask. U know when the NL Collection organised the Low-ish Floor running day last year how did there do that. As I want to one day help out or organise my own running day. I know it comes with a lot of responsibility. An obscene amount of money, time and effort was put into that, a lot of communication with the council on what was going to happen, scheduling, spare buses, stands with space and many many other issues. None of the routes were registered and it was a free operation hence anything could be used and no operator license is required. I’ll say now, it really isn’t just as simple as just saying I’m going to do this on this day and it’s going to work, it had been in the works for months if not a year, also finding a date that doesn’t clash with another event is another problem, I think if it happens again it will be on a day that’s a bit cooler And it was an excellent event too, well done to all involved with organising of it
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Post by VPL630 on Mar 24, 2023 10:07:21 GMT
An obscene amount of money, time and effort was put into that, a lot of communication with the council on what was going to happen, scheduling, spare buses, stands with space and many many other issues. None of the routes were registered and it was a free operation hence anything could be used and no operator license is required. I’ll say now, it really isn’t just as simple as just saying I’m going to do this on this day and it’s going to work, it had been in the works for months if not a year, also finding a date that doesn’t clash with another event is another problem, I think if it happens again it will be on a day that’s a bit cooler And it was an excellent event too, well done to all involved with organising of it I'll take no credit as I didn't do much but, the group that I am part of did loads These are just some of the issues we came across off the top of my head We had buses offered to turn up but then pulled out, some with a lot of notice and others the night before When we went out to risk assess/route learn, we came across road closures and various other issues when trying to do route timings Accommodations had to be made for some buses/drivers so they were able to take part The timetable changed multiple times due to the changing amount of buses People in East Grinstead don't understand what a bus stop is and think it's an excellent place to park The day went well from what I saw with a few buses dropping out, there were a few incidents of childish behaviour but other than that nothing major
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Post by Transportman91 on Mar 24, 2023 18:51:53 GMT
Oh yeah I heard about what happened on TA23. From what I've heard there was water balloons being thrown education on other passengers and inside TA23.
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Post by Transportman91 on Mar 24, 2023 18:54:04 GMT
And it was an excellent event too, well done to all involved with organising of it I'll take no credit as I didn't do much but, the group that I am part of did loads These are just some of the issues we came across off the top of my head We had buses offered to turn up but then pulled out, some with a lot of notice and others the night before When we went out to risk assess/route learn, we came across road closures and various other issues when trying to do route timings Accommodations had to be made for some buses/drivers so they were able to take part The timetable changed multiple times due to the changing amount of buses People in East Grinstead don't understand what a bus stop is and think it's an excellent place to park The day went well from what I saw with a few buses dropping out, there were a few incidents of childish behaviour but other than that nothing major so what yould say, I want to be part of BBPG One day and help out organising running days as well as organising my own one too.
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Post by 6HP502C on Mar 29, 2023 15:50:54 GMT
And it was an excellent event too, well done to all involved with organising of it I'll take no credit as I didn't do much but, the group that I am part of did loads These are just some of the issues we came across off the top of my head We had buses offered to turn up but then pulled out, some with a lot of notice and others the night before When we went out to risk assess/route learn, we came across road closures and various other issues when trying to do route timings Accommodations had to be made for some buses/drivers so they were able to take part The timetable changed multiple times due to the changing amount of buses People in East Grinstead don't understand what a bus stop is and think it's an excellent place to park The day went well from what I saw with a few buses dropping out, there were a few incidents of childish behaviour but other than that nothing major It was a great event, really enjoyed seeing all the other buses running in anger and looking splendid!
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Post by mkay315 on Apr 13, 2023 9:47:53 GMT
The low-floorish bus event that will happen this year. Is the event free or does one have to pay to come. As I'm looking to attend this year's one. I couldn't come last year due to personal commitments but I made a promise to myself that I will try and come down this year.
Even watching TA23 thrashing down those roads. I wish I was there to experience it.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 13, 2023 11:36:44 GMT
The low-floorish bus event that will happen this year. Is the event free or does one have to pay to come. As I'm looking to attend this year's one. I couldn't come last year due to personal commitments but I made a promise to myself that I will try and come down this year. Even watching TA23 thrashing down those roads. I wish I was there to experience it. It was free last time so I’d suspect it is again this time
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Post by mkay315 on Apr 14, 2023 7:39:46 GMT
The low-floorish bus event that will happen this year. Is the event free or does one have to pay to come. As I'm looking to attend this year's one. I couldn't come last year due to personal commitments but I made a promise to myself that I will try and come down this year. Even watching TA23 thrashing down those roads. I wish I was there to experience it. It was free last time so I’d suspect it is again this time Thank you very much
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Post by Transportman91 on Sept 16, 2023 11:25:53 GMT
Hello everyone. I dont if this is a silly question.
I have Big ambitions to be part of Bus preservation, hopefully within Bromley Bus preservation Group, (BBPG). I want to one day preservation one of Arriva's Enviro300 Buses that run in the Hertfordshire area. I'll get straight to the point. U know how most Buses outside has one door. Is it Possible to add exit doors on a existing single door bus or that makes no no sense 🤔
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Post by vjaska on Sept 16, 2023 11:45:35 GMT
Hello everyone. I dont if this is a silly question. I have Big ambitions to be part of Bus preservation, hopefully within Bromley Bus preservation Group, (BBPG). I want to one day preservation one of Arriva's Enviro300 Buses that run in the Hertfordshire area. I'll get straight to the point. U know how most Buses outside has one door. Is it Possible to add exit doors on a existing single door bus or that makes no no sense 🤔 It’s possible depending on the bus and also depending on the buses structural integrity around the area being fitted but it’s ridiculously expensive.
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