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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 6, 2021 0:09:08 GMT
I wonder if undemocratic enforcement of LTNs across London could be a campaigning battering ram for Bailey? He has certainly advocated a more sensible approach to roll out of LTNs than Khan. www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/18825701.london-mayor-candidate-shaun-bailey-promises-ban-crystal-palace-road-blocks/I also like his commitment to re-opening 38 police stations and youth work. Does anyone know if the candidates will produce more detailed manifestos before the election? Going on the top line commitments, I’m favouring Bailey vs. Khan at the moment. I certainly won’t vote for Khan, but I could see myself either voting for Bailey or not voting at all. I cant see reopening police stations making any difference, or even as Khan also wants thousands more police on the streets. A lot of these high profile incidents is down to society and police are not goign to stop 90%| of those things sadly. How else do you plan to stop them? I've already mentioned countless times why Youth Programmes don't work, what else is the plan? The issue is statistically where more people are found, crime will be higher and more enforcement will drive it down, at least artificially for a while. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 6, 2021 0:29:34 GMT
George Osborne was literally the editor of the Evening Standard for 3 years (then editor-in-chief). I highly doubt they are 'Labour lickers'... By admission of many in his party Osborne was never a proper Tory and if that was the case then he certainly wouldn't be one now given its more recent populist agenda shift. Osborne was quite liberal on many issues* and it came under public light that he considered voting LD in the last election. Whether that actually happened remains unknown
* In the run up to the 2015 election he suggested fielding Tory candidates in their own seats and LD ones in their respective ones to create a sort of double ticket , proposing a centre to very moderate right government.
Let's take a slightly closer look. Which party members actually said this? The Tories, and Labour are both coalitions of smaller groups within themselves. Labour has the Hard Left (such as Dianne Abbot, Nadia Whittome and Jeremy Corbyn), Soft Left (such as Keir Starmer, Sadiq Khan and Angela Rayner) and New Labour (Such as Margaret Hodge, Jess Phillips and Harriet Harman) while the Conservatives have the centrist view (Such as Ex-MP Anna Soubry), One-Nation Conservatism (like Theresa May) and the far right (such as Priti Patel and Jacob Rees Mogg). Naturally every group will think the total opposite end of the party to them shouldn't exist because by that point they are just people forced to be in the same party to just have power rather than actually agreeing with each other. We already can see what divisions this sort of split can cause by just looking at the Labour Party now. With Osborne, he was clearly towards the left half of the Conservative party, but very very very and I stress very no doubt a Tory for sure. His policies and Austerity period screams Tory all over as does his voting history. People who were to the right of the Conservative party may have as a result of his slightly towards the left stance either disliked him or mentally ostracised him from their party that they felt should represent their own views. I'm totally clueless as to where on the spectrum Boris stands, it's almost as if he doesn't know himself, but even in the cabinet we can see Rishi Sunak as towards the left of them while Priti Patel stands at the far right. I'm sure people like Jacob Rees Mogg. The UK as a whole I'd say is ever so slightly to the right of centre, with specifics depending on area. This is what's currently keeping the Tories in government and screwing Labour over who have moved in the wrong direction completely. You'd have thought somewhere along the line that someone would have realised that the policies that got them into government were New Labour policies as opposed to hard left policies. Osbourne knew this and I'm sure many other Tory MPs know that this is the direction they need to go in to stay in government. The Tories will do anything to stay in power and they've realised they need to shift far earlier than Labour realised that and they got to the goal first while Labour then just started running the other direction once they got beaten. London is unique in that it's a left leaning city, the austerity period of 2010-2014 effectively killed off the little Tory support which remained in the inner boroughs such as Ealing and Brent so any Tory candidate needs to move towards the centre. Looking more at a Khan vs Bailey situation, Khan leans towards the soft left and potentially even inching closer to new Labour while Bailey seems to have a habit of constantly attacking poor people and occasionally making racist comments in the past. This naturally associated him as moving further right, even if he isn't himself. The fact is many Labour voters are of BAME origin and I really don't see them voting for a guy who referred to Khan as “mad mullah Khan of Londonistan” and I don't see the poorer people in the city voting for someone who thinks everyone on benefits will go and spend the money on ganja. Going back to the topic at hand, Osbourne's views are likely to be the views that Londoners are most likely to potentially agree with as far as Tories go. As much as I hate to give the guy credit if he agrees with someone's views on the spectrum that individual is probably going to have higher support in the London area. If he doesn't then I heavily doubt that the rest of the London population will see them as such. |
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Post by bus12451 on Mar 6, 2021 20:32:27 GMT
Laurence Fox announces that he is running for London Mayor. I'm not quite sure how or why he thinks he has a chance. For starters, he has joined the race less than a month before the nominations deadline. He shares similar qualities with other candidates, mostly Shaun Bailey, and is anti-lockdown just like Bailey, Corbyn and Co which means that Fox will do nothing but make it even more likely that Sadiq Khan will win a second term.  |
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Post by redbus on Mar 6, 2021 21:06:30 GMT
Sadiq Khan may well get my vote if he were to promise no more 'Khan cuts' to the buses. No more frequency reductions, no more route cuts, instead a programme to get people back on the buses and to make bus journey times competitive again. Which candidate wishes to pick up the mantle, probably none?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 6, 2021 21:11:36 GMT
Laurence Fox announces that he is running for London Mayor. I'm not quite sure how or why he thinks he has a chance. For starters, he has joined the race less than a month before the nominations deadline. He shares similar qualities with other candidates, mostly Shaun Bailey, and is anti-lockdown just like Bailey, Corbyn and Co which means that Fox will do nothing but make it even more likely that Sadiq Khan will win a second term. A similar tactic was employed by Kanye West in America, While I'm not sure Laurence Fox's intentions, West had an intention to appeal to the Democratic young voters, splitting the Biden Vote and getting Trump a second term. It's happened many times in the past unsuccessfully. |
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Post by rugbyref on Mar 7, 2021 19:51:10 GMT
I would say labour loving Evening Standard. Both them and the Metro are Labour lickers. George Osborne was literally the editor of the Evening Standard for 3 years (then editor-in-chief). I highly doubt they are 'Labour lickers'... Osborne attacked Conservatives for daring to support Brexit. He ruined the Standard. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 7, 2021 20:20:16 GMT
George Osborne was literally the editor of the Evening Standard for 3 years (then editor-in-chief). I highly doubt they are 'Labour lickers'... Osborne attacked Conservatives for daring to support Brexit. He ruined the Standard. How exactly? London was a predominantly remain city so surely it would make sense to slightly shift towards your audience to gather readers rather than just going against all of them and not having anyone read your paper. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 8, 2021 0:22:38 GMT
By admission of many in his party Osborne was never a proper Tory and if that was the case then he certainly wouldn't be one now given its more recent populist agenda shift. Osborne was quite liberal on many issues* and it came under public light that he considered voting LD in the last election. Whether that actually happened remains unknown
* In the run up to the 2015 election he suggested fielding Tory candidates in their own seats and LD ones in their respective ones to create a sort of double ticket , proposing a centre to very moderate right government.
Let's take a slightly closer look. Which party members actually said this? The Tories, and Labour are both coalitions of smaller groups within themselves. Labour has the Hard Left (such as Dianne Abbot, Nadia Whittome and Jeremy Corbyn), Soft Left (such as Keir Starmer, Sadiq Khan and Angela Rayner) and New Labour (Such as Margaret Hodge, Jess Phillips and Harriet Harman) while the Conservatives have the centrist view (Such as Ex-MP Anna Soubry), One-Nation Conservatism (like Theresa May) and the far right (such as Priti Patel and Jacob Rees Mogg). Naturally every group will think the total opposite end of the party to them shouldn't exist because by that point they are just people forced to be in the same party to just have power rather than actually agreeing with each other. We already can see what divisions this sort of split can cause by just looking at the Labour Party now. With Osborne, he was clearly towards the left half of the Conservative party, but very very very and I stress very no doubt a Tory for sure. His policies and Austerity period screams Tory all over as does his voting history. People who were to the right of the Conservative party may have as a result of his slightly towards the left stance either disliked him or mentally ostracised him from their party that they felt should represent their own views. I'm totally clueless as to where on the spectrum Boris stands, it's almost as if he doesn't know himself, but even in the cabinet we can see Rishi Sunak as towards the left of them while Priti Patel stands at the far right. I'm sure people like Jacob Rees Mogg. The UK as a whole I'd say is ever so slightly to the right of centre, with specifics depending on area. This is what's currently keeping the Tories in government and screwing Labour over who have moved in the wrong direction completely. You'd have thought somewhere along the line that someone would have realised that the policies that got them into government were New Labour policies as opposed to hard left policies. Osbourne knew this and I'm sure many other Tory MPs know that this is the direction they need to go in to stay in government. The Tories will do anything to stay in power and they've realised they need to shift far earlier than Labour realised that and they got to the goal first while Labour then just started running the other direction once they got beaten. London is unique in that it's a left leaning city, the austerity period of 2010-2014 effectively killed off the little Tory support which remained in the inner boroughs such as Ealing and Brent so any Tory candidate needs to move towards the centre. Looking more at a Khan vs Bailey situation, Khan leans towards the soft left and potentially even inching closer to new Labour while Bailey seems to have a habit of constantly attacking poor people and occasionally making racist comments in the past. This naturally associated him as moving further right, even if he isn't himself. The fact is many Labour voters are of BAME origin and I really don't see them voting for a guy who referred to Khan as “mad mullah Khan of Londonistan” and I don't see the poorer people in the city voting for someone who thinks everyone on benefits will go and spend the money on ganja. Going back to the topic at hand, Osbourne's views are likely to be the views that Londoners are most likely to potentially agree with as far as Tories go. As much as I hate to give the guy credit if he agrees with someone's views on the spectrum that individual is probably going to have higher support in the London area. If he doesn't then I heavily doubt that the rest of the London population will see them as such. Some well said points, however many non white people in London who previously voted for Khan said they would not vote for him again. Some say they would either vote Bailey but a majority of them said they would not vote at all. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 8, 2021 0:30:51 GMT
Laurence Fox announces that he is running for London Mayor. I'm not quite sure how or why he thinks he has a chance. For starters, he has joined the race less than a month before the nominations deadline. He shares similar qualities with other candidates, mostly Shaun Bailey, and is anti-lockdown just like Bailey, Corbyn and Co which means that Fox will do nothing but make it even more likely that Sadiq Khan will win a second term. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 11, 2021 14:36:17 GMT
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Post by busman on Mar 11, 2021 14:48:50 GMT
He’s just a weak candidate. He really needs someone to manage his Twitter account and his interview responses. It’s a real shame, because I hoped Khan wouldn’t get a second term. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 11, 2021 15:09:42 GMT
Publicly it's not a good look given he is running for office but TBH, that's probably the least offensive thing I've seen him say and in fact, I was speaking to a customer about it given it's a hot topic due to being almost on my doorstep and what he said is pretty much what some are echoing in that people fear for their safety and lets be frank, this is in an area known far and wide for this sort of thing to commonly happen be it a shooting, stabbing or disappearance. I did find it odd that Khan decided to let everyone know he walks along Poynders Road regularly - I find that hard to believe personally but whatever  Whilst I shouldn't comment on the case and obviously, my thoughts to her and the family, ever since the news showed a map of her path she was walking, it doesn't exactly add up. Her final destination was Brixton, apparently somewhere almost next to where I live yet she chose to walk towards Clapham Park from Clapham Common rather than take the most direct route to Brixton via Acre Lane or cut across Kings Avenue and the backs roads next to Brixton Hill which makes me think something else might be at play here. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Mar 11, 2021 15:22:44 GMT
I really have to question who manages his account. That was not the time to be talking about him being a father and husband. His delivery was way off. Unfortunately this re-enforces the fact that the Police really need to be held more accountable for their actions. Going off topic for a minute some of the police don't deserve to be in their positions as they really are bad vibes. They abuse their positions willingly knowing that many people don't know their rights. Folks as soon as this pandemic is over I urge you all to please please please make sure whoever you're meeting up with that you call them to make sure they're safe because there's some wicked people on this earth. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 13, 2021 0:13:11 GMT
www.onlondon.co.uk/sadiq-khan-has-devastating-26-point-lead-in-latest-london-mayor-opinion-poll/If polls suggest anything, and they've been fairly right the past few times for the mayoral race, The Tories are set for their biggest defeat in GLA history for the mayoral race. Of Londoners surveyed that voted Tory in 2019, only 67% show first preference support for Bailey. If the figures also keep up, there's a small chance Khan might even get the majority of first preference votes, meaning there would be no need to even count second preference which once again would be a first. Bailey is on track to accomplish a lot of things first before he even gets near the mayors office, but I don't think any of them are good things.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 13, 2021 22:05:54 GMT
I think this is the sad case of politics the so called two horse race. It only became a 3 horse when it was the original mayoral elections with Steve Noris, Ken Livingstone and Frank Dobson. I wonder if Rory did not pull out would it have been a 3 horse race. London Mayor election not a 'two-horse race', say candidatesTwo London mayoral candidates have hit back at Sadiq Khan’s claim that the election on May 6 is a “two-horse race” between himself and Shaun Bailey.www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/19147672.london-mayor-election-not-two-horse-race-say-candidates/ |
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