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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 11:04:18 GMT
Hmm - Burnham's "rare victory"? (quote from the Standard article). Of the twelve directly elected Mayors in England outside London, only three have not gone to Labour and one of those (West Yorkshire) is still to be declared and is a likely Labour victory. Four - Liverpool City Region, Greater Manchester, North Tyneside and Salford - didn't even need to go to second preference votes. In Liverpool and Bristol the main opposition candidate was not even Conservative (independent and Green respectively) and Labour even managed to do enough to take a "blue wall" seat, Cambridgeshire & Peterborough - for good measure, they also held onto Cambridge City Council. Those small Labour victories only go to prove that they no longer represent people outside the city areas. Yes, there are pockets in the rural towns large villages but they no longer equate to large wins for Labour. Cities are great to control but they don’t translate to general election wins. |
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Post by MKAY315 on May 9, 2021 11:30:33 GMT
Fair enough. With regards to the Ulez situation I still think that was going to happen regardless of who was going to be mayor. I really doubt it. It was not needed. Others have said they would not do this. I still think they would have done it along the line. Maybe not as soon as Sadiq done it but it was definitely on the cards. |
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Post by wirewiper on May 9, 2021 11:37:58 GMT
Hmm - Burnham's "rare victory"? (quote from the Standard article). Of the twelve directly elected Mayors in England outside London, only three have not gone to Labour and one of those (West Yorkshire) is still to be declared and is a likely Labour victory. Four - Liverpool City Region, Greater Manchester, North Tyneside and Salford - didn't even need to go to second preference votes. In Liverpool and Bristol the main opposition candidate was not even Conservative (independent and Green respectively) and Labour even managed to do enough to take a "blue wall" seat, Cambridgeshire & Peterborough - for good measure, they also held onto Cambridge City Council. Those small Labour victories only go to prove that they no longer represent people outside the city areas. Yes, there are pockets in the rural towns large villages but they no longer equate to large wins for Labour. Cities are great to control but they don’t translate to general election wins. It's a good solid foundation on which to build though. I will be the first to say that Labour has its work cut out if it wants to win the next General Election but it isn't impossible if Labour consolidates its power base in those cities and builds from there. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 9, 2021 11:43:07 GMT
Assuming there was no voting coercion in Tower Hamlets, then we have to accept Khan as a mayor. There should have been an option for ‘we don’t need or want a mayor!’ However, the map showing how the boroughs voted confirms that there is no support for that hairbrained proposal to tax residents of Kent or Surrey who have to travel into a London borough for work, to visit doctors or dentists. How about a proposal to restrict the mayor to responsibility within the North and South Circular roads? And labour heartlands such as Streatham, Southall, Barking, Becontree and Enfield are likely to vote against such a ridiculous idea. |
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Post by ronnie on May 9, 2021 12:09:49 GMT
Yes we will be back on our feet for sure. Either because no one has money or because traffic is so slow once might as well as walk |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 12:10:57 GMT
Assuming there was no voting coercion in Tower Hamlets, then we have to accept Khan as a mayor. There should have been an option for ‘we don’t need or want a mayor!’ However, the map showing how the boroughs voted confirms that there is no support for that hairbrained proposal to tax residents of Kent or Surrey who have to travel into a London borough for work, to visit doctors or dentists. How about a proposal to restrict the mayor to responsibility within the North and South Circular roads? And labour heartlands such as Streatham, Southall, Barking, Becontree and Enfield are likely to vote against such a ridiculous idea. Also there are conservative strongholds near the centre like Kensington and Chelsea (that's about it really), but why restrict the mayor's responsibility to the NCR/SCR when no borough is completely within or outside of this zone? |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 12:49:45 GMT
Those small Labour victories only go to prove that they no longer represent people outside the city areas. Yes, there are pockets in the rural towns large villages but they no longer equate to large wins for Labour. Cities are great to control but they don’t translate to general election wins. It's a good solid foundation on which to build though. I will be the first to say that Labour has its work cut out if it wants to win the next General Election but it isn't impossible if Labour consolidates its power base in those cities and builds from there. I personally don’t think Labour can win a general election in the near future. I just think there is too much indecision about where it wants it’s policies. Right now if it goes too left it will alienate the new Labour leftovers who still form a core part of the party outside of city centres, too right and those hard line left wingers who have been the major support over the last five to ten years disappear. They are the ones supporting Labour right now and hitting those streets, lose them and it’s pretty much over. So it’s a rock and a hard place for Starmer. |
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Post by vjaska on May 9, 2021 12:55:51 GMT
It's a good solid foundation on which to build though. I will be the first to say that Labour has its work cut out if it wants to win the next General Election but it isn't impossible if Labour consolidates its power base in those cities and builds from there. I personally don’t think Labour can win a general election in the near future. I just think there is too much indecision about where it wants it’s policies. Right now if it goes too left it will alienate the new Labour leftovers who still form a core part of the party outside of city centres, too right and those hard line left wingers who have been the major support over the last five to ten years disappear. They are the ones supporting Labour right now and hitting those streets, lose them and it’s pretty much over. So it’s a rock and a hard place for Starmer. It’s not impossible to think that Labour will win a general election sooner than you think - the Tories will eventually implode as history tells us and I remember they eventually got themselves together to get into government (with the help of Clegg & his lying Lib Dem’s) so it’s very much possible |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 9, 2021 13:05:03 GMT
If they did, it clearly said "Stay at home, there's nothing for you here". Of the c.70,000 people eligible to vote, less than 30,000 actually bothered to express any kind of preference at all. That to me is the saddest aspect of the whole thing. I agree, politicians have to do a lot more to make the electorate care enough about politics to go out and vote. I’m not sure I’d go as far as Australia and make it mandatory but something needs to be done to get more people to the ballot box However, regardless of how many voted enough of them went blue, probably for the first time ever. The Labour Party is a shadow of its former self and appears to have lost a huge number of people it could previously count on to vote for them. Boris Johnson and the Conservatives haven’t handed the pandemic very well but despite this, it seems a lot of voters are buying what Johnson is selling, even lifelong Labour voters I don’t think anyone expected the race for London Mayor to be as close as it appears to have turned out to be. Again, Labour voters just aren’t convinced by the party any longer. I rather suspect the Conservatives have been kicking themselves today for not fielding a stronger candidate or, indeed, not backing Bailey harder. It would appear the London Mayoralty was there for the taking Rory Stewart was at 1 stage going to stand as an independent but dropped out when the election was delayed. His leadership pitch had appealed to the public even if not the party membership. Being a Remainer will have been agreeable to many London voters too. So, had the Conservatives let him stay and chosen him as their candidate, I reckon he could have won. |
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Post by ronnie on May 9, 2021 13:11:00 GMT
I personally don’t think Labour can win a general election in the near future. I just think there is too much indecision about where it wants it’s policies. Right now if it goes too left it will alienate the new Labour leftovers who still form a core part of the party outside of city centres, too right and those hard line left wingers who have been the major support over the last five to ten years disappear. They are the ones supporting Labour right now and hitting those streets, lose them and it’s pretty much over. So it’s a rock and a hard place for Starmer. It’s not impossible to think that Labour will win a general election sooner than you think - the Tories will eventually implode as history tells us and I remember they eventually got themselves together to get into government (with the help of Clegg & his lying Lib Dem’s) so it’s very much possible It’s all cyclical so some day tories will be weak and labour will be strong. But it depends on how long the cycle is! |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 9, 2021 13:13:20 GMT
Oh god no. I suppose that we had no better choice. To quote Kylie Minogue: “I'll forgive and forget If you say you'll never go 'Cause it's true what they say It's better the devil you know It's better the devil you know” Although he didn't admit this in public, Shaun Bailey's opinion on his chances of victory was I Should Be So Lucky  |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 9, 2021 13:19:08 GMT
Of course with a reduced majority from 2016, which in my opinion was always expected when you’ve got such a wide field of candidates, if there were less of them it could have been a different story. Personally I think Shaun Bailey did incredibly well to defy the polls. Interestingly the BBC is only showing a 41% turnout, down on 2016 so that could also explain the reduction. The bright spark is that we still have the same level of opposition within city hall to hold the mayor to account which is what I always wanted in this election. Whether Kahn and central government are going to play nice is a story for another day, but I’m hoping both will see merit in working together. One good thing is that UKIP are no longer on the London Assembly. Conservative gained 1, Labour lost 1, Green gained 1, Liberal gained 1. Also if Lib Dems are not careful, the greens would end up being the third party in the country. UKIP have likewise been wiped out in Wales. It was quite funny that the UKIP candidate for London Mayor had the surname Gammons. |
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Post by wirewiper on May 9, 2021 15:11:16 GMT
Labour looks set to govern alone in Wales, with Mark Drakeford widely expected to be reappointed as First Minister. Labour are one seat short of the 31 they need to have an overall majority. They will seek to work with other parties where necessary on a case-by-case to get legislation through, based on "common ground". The sole Liberal Democrat, elected from the "top-up list" and not representing a physical constituency, has ruled out joining the Welsh Government. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57042797 |
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Post by wirewiper on May 9, 2021 15:38:33 GMT
West Yorkshire Metro Mayor is going to second preferences. The current favourite, Labour's Tracy Brabin, has 261,170 first preference votes compared to the Conservative with 176,167 but Brabin's overall share of the vote is only 43.1%. These are the first preference results: Labour - 261,170 Conservatives - 176,167 Yorkshire Party - 58,851 Green - 55,833 LDs - 30,162 Reform UK - 14,943 English Democrats - 8,969 Source: www.theguardian.com/politics/series/politics-live-with-andrew-sparrow |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 9, 2021 17:28:26 GMT
West Yorkshire Metro Mayor is going to second preferences. The current favourite, Labour's Tracy Brabin, has 261,170 first preference votes compared to the Conservative with 176,167 but Brabin's overall share of the vote is only 43.1%. These are the first preference results: Labour - 261,170 Conservatives - 176,167 Yorkshire Party - 58,851 Green - 55,833 LDs - 30,162 Reform UK - 14,943 English Democrats - 8,969 Source: www.theguardian.com/politics/series/politics-live-with-andrew-sparrowThat's still quite a low vote for an area without any Tory heartlands as such. Admittedly the Tories have made a few surprise gains in recent years such as Outwood & Morley and Wakefield. Dewsbury, Halifax and Calder Valley have over the years been marginal. It is easy to forget that Tracy's constituency, Batley & Spen, was Conservative until 1997. As it was Labour's #25 target in 1997 they may well have gained the seat even without achieving their landslide. |
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