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Post by TB123 on Mar 25, 2021 15:43:21 GMT
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 25, 2021 15:59:12 GMT
Stagecoach is seeking a judicial review of the proposals, and Rotala (Diamond Bus North West) is also considering a legal challenge to the proposals. Given that nine out of ten Councils in the Greater Manchester Combined Authorities area support the franchising proposal though it seems unlikely now that any challenge will halt the process. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-56418962 Also it will be interesting to see the outcome for cross-boundary services, we could see similar issues as exist with cross-boundary services in Greater London. There's an interesting article in April's "Buses" magazine about the steady decline of route 130 which not so long ago ran half-hourly between Manchester and Macclesfield but is now an East Cheshire tendered route running just hourly between Handforth and Macclesfield as Transport for Greater Manchester has no inclination to support it.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 25, 2021 17:34:14 GMT
Excellent news! It's sour grapes for Stagecoach Manchester to be contesting something that will benefit Greater Manchester as a whole. It also says the company has much to lose, possibly from fares being standardised and definitely a drastic lack of competitive bunching. Along the Wilmslow Road corridor it isn't rare to see 4 or 5 buses from the same company vying for passenger fares along what is supposedly the busiest bus corridor in Europe. Stagecoach are by far the worst offenders as they operate the most routes along that stretch. Combined with the Metrolink tram system, travel around the City could become much more integrated with the new fare system. One thing's for sure, bus usuage from the city centre to the outer suburbs in Manchester (Wythenshawe, Rochdale, Stockport, Bury) is certainly not on a vapid decline like it is in London. Really good news for the city and a sign of tangible steps being taken to unlock this northern powerhouse.
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Post by elshad on Mar 26, 2021 23:15:55 GMT
Needs to happen all across the UK. The state of bus services in large parts of the country is a joke.
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 26, 2021 23:26:49 GMT
Needs to happen all across the UK. The state of bus services in large parts of the country is a joke. Really, we are seeing what a financial basket case it is in London, and can't see outer London getting anywhere near the level of funding it needs. Can only see it being a disaster and be mighty surprised to see it last 20 years, well if I make it that long! Can you imagine the reaction when they say there is going to be £70 put on you council tax bill to pay for it?
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 27, 2021 18:57:44 GMT
Needs to happen all across the UK. The state of bus services in large parts of the country is a joke. Really, we are seeing what a financial basket case it is in London, and can't see outer London getting anywhere near the level of funding it needs. Can only see it being a disaster and be mighty surprised to see it last 20 years, well if I make it that long! Can you imagine the reaction when they say there is going to be £70 put on you council tax bill to pay for it? I'd think an extra £70 on my Council Tax a bargain if it gets my local area a better, more comprehensive and affordable bus network. Although I would also like to see funding from workplace levies on parking, congestion charging and diverting money from the roads budget - if you have better bus services that can attract people out of their cars (as has happened in London) or persuade them they don't need a car in the first place, you don't need to spend so much on additional road capacity. Manchester might not be alone for long. Liverpool is putting re-regulation out to consultation, and the Metro Mayor Steve Rotheram has ambitious plans to take Merseyrail into public ownership and integrate the region's transport. Re-regulation is being considered as an option for the North East Combined Authority and Tracy Brabin MP, Labour's Candidate for West Yorkshire Metro Mayor in May, has pledged to follow in Manchester's footsteps if elected.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 8, 2021 19:34:23 GMT
Andy Burnham's victory today pretty much cements the introduction of this, he aims to bring the buses back into public ownership and run them London style.
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Post by vjaska on May 8, 2021 21:48:37 GMT
Andy Burnham's victory today pretty much cements the introduction of this, he aims to bring the buses back into public ownership and run them London style. Hopefully, he can bring in a ticketing system across Manchester that's as affordable as London & Birmingham. The fact Birmingham will now have the best value for money day ticket across a substantial area overtaking London given a day ticket in Birmingham was already pretty reasonable cost wise is commendable.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 9, 2021 13:28:34 GMT
Although there are multi-operator tickets in Greater Manchester, called System 1 or Get Me There, Manchester has one of the most fragmented bus networks among the main cities. Direct buses from Manchester to Altrincham, Eccles, Bolton, Ramsbottom, Oldham and Stockport mainly all come from different operators! These a re Arriva, Go North West, Diamond, Transdev, First and Stagecoach respectively.
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Post by wirewiper on May 9, 2021 14:37:03 GMT
Although there are multi-operator tickets in Greater Manchester, called System 1 or Get Me There, Manchester has one of the most fragmented bus networks among the main cities. Direct buses from Manchester to Altrincham, Eccles, Bolton, Ramsbottom, Oldham and Stockport mainly all come from different operators! These a re Arriva, Go North West, Diamond, Transdev, First and Stagecoach respectively. It's ironic really, because before the creation of SELNEC in 1969 the area we now know as Greater Manchester was a by-word for co-operation between operators and joint services (or at least service agreements) were commonplace. It is reckoned that one-third of Manchester Corporation's bus routes operated to places outside the city boundaries. It was nothing to see Manchester Corporation buses out on the Pennine moors, and the colours of Corporations such as Rochdale, Oldham and Bury in the heart of the city. Indeed so well regarded was the co-ordination that it has been argued that the creation of SELNEC wasn't really needed.
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Post by bustavane on May 9, 2021 18:54:44 GMT
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Post by YY13VKP on May 9, 2021 19:20:56 GMT
I do hope so, it could benefit areas such as Huddersfield and Halifax which are dominated by First.
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Post by enviroPB on May 10, 2021 16:23:25 GMT
Although there are multi-operator tickets in Greater Manchester, called System 1 or Get Me There, Manchester has one of the most fragmented bus networks among the main cities. Direct buses from Manchester to Altrincham, Eccles, Bolton, Ramsbottom, Oldham and Stockport mainly all come from different operators! These a re Arriva, Go North West, Diamond, Transdev, First and Stagecoach respectively. I've had a System One card since late 2015 if I'm correct; it cost 34 quid at the time for a bus pass for use with all operators for 1 week. That's almost 75% more than a bus pass in London for the week and at that price, is just above what I normally pay for a zones 2-4 travelcard with train and bus travel. Andy's been doing the media rounds this morning, caught a BBC interview before I dozed off after work. He's still adamant of buses being in public ownership and vows to bring a London styled transport system a year earlier in May 2024. I also dozed off contemplating names for the integrated network like the Honey network and liveries for buses being yellow. Wasn't too far off...
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 19, 2021 13:17:49 GMT
Buses will play an important part in Greater Manchester's quest to become net-zero for carbon emissions by 2038 - twelve years earlier than the date set for the UK as a whole.
The Greater Manchester Green Summit this week is expected to ratify a plan which the Mayor, Andy Burnham, will take to the Government as part of next week's Spending Review. The plan includes electrifying up to half of Greater Manchester's buses by 2025, a process that will be greatly simplified by the plan to take the Region's bus services back into public control. Also included in the plan are improvements to walking and cycling facilities. The Mayor has already introduced a "buildings retrofit taskforce" to reduce emissions from homes and public buildings, and is seeking to increase the amount of renewable energy produced locally to reduce emissions and energy bills.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 19, 2021 14:54:46 GMT
Buses will play an important part in Greater Manchester's quest to become net-zero for carbon emissions by 2038 - twelve years earlier than the date set for the UK as a whole. The Greater Manchester Green Summit this week is expected to ratify a plan which the Mayor, Andy Burnham, will take to the Government as part of next week's Spending Review. The plan includes electrifying up to half of Greater Manchester's buses by 2025, a process that will be greatly simplified by the plan to take the Region's bus services back into public control. Also included in the plan are improvements to walking and cycling facilities. The Mayor has already introduced a "buildings retrofit taskforce" to reduce emissions from homes and public buildings, and is seeking to increase the amount of renewable energy produced locally to reduce emissions and energy bills. Shame about that yellow livery that was unveiled - thought it would of been a better nod to go with a GM buses style livery instead. Yellow reminds me of school bus
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