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Post by dashing0ne on Nov 22, 2021 13:46:18 GMT
Good to know Tower Transit would be compensated but sure this won’t please some who are very negative towards TT. Also makes sense especially as the 414 buses have just been refurbished. Will be RATP by that point! But makes sense as 414 contract just began for standard 5 year (+ optional 2 yr extension) whereas 74 contract along with 14/430 ends October 2023. 74 also arguably most convenient route of Putney corridor for RATP/Tower to run given presence of meal break facilities at Baker Street and frequent Tube service back to the garage So these supposed changes will likely happen around Oct/Nov 2023. Although I never please a route's withdrawl, I do with the 414, only because much more useful routes/sections get scrapped.
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Post by dashing0ne on Nov 22, 2021 13:48:33 GMT
What are the changes regarding the 168/271 getting axed?
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 22, 2021 13:58:23 GMT
What are the changes regarding the 168/271 getting axed? On the consultation thread. But in short the 1 extends over the 168 and the 21 diverts to Holloway, Nags Head.
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Post by greenboy on Nov 22, 2021 15:12:15 GMT
The Londoner Facebook group suggests an upcoming proposal to withdraw route 20 and replace it by extending the 56 to Woodford Wells (presumably alternate journeys?) and the W13 to Debden.
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Post by WH241 on Nov 22, 2021 15:41:29 GMT
The Londoner Facebook group suggests an upcoming proposal to withdraw route 20 and replace it by extending the 56 to Woodford Wells (presumably alternate journeys?) and the W13 to Debden. TfL for years now have been hacking routes back like the 25 but now proposing to extend routes across London! All that will happen is buses will be concentrated on the main section when delays occur and the outer sections will suffer. Routes will be extended then later on cut back without replacement.
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 22, 2021 15:52:48 GMT
The Londoner Facebook group suggests an upcoming proposal to withdraw route 20 and replace it by extending the 56 to Woodford Wells (presumably alternate journeys?) and the W13 to Debden. TfL for years now have been hacking routes back like the 25 but now proposing to extend routes across London! All that will happen is buses will be concentrated on the main section when delays occur and the outer sections will suffer. Routes will be extended then later on cut back without replacement. Exactly. I mean I wouldn’t say we don’t need cross-city routes, there is certainly a place for strategically placed ones, but in an ideal world we should have more central London bus hubs like Victoria or London Bridge that feed routes from key stations and terminals either south or north. I’d dare say TfL has looked at how the 88 has been doing and concluded it can offer longer cross city routes provided they are managed correctly which as far as I can tell it has.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 22, 2021 17:15:37 GMT
The Londoner Facebook group suggests an upcoming proposal to withdraw route 20 and replace it by extending the 56 to Woodford Wells (presumably alternate journeys?) and the W13 to Debden. I cannot see that working, there is still a lot of people from Loughton going all the way to Walthamstow
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 22, 2021 17:40:37 GMT
The Londoner Facebook group suggests an upcoming proposal to withdraw route 20 and replace it by extending the 56 to Woodford Wells (presumably alternate journeys?) and the W13 to Debden. I cannot see that working, there is still a lot of people from Loughton going all the way to Walthamstow I doubt Waltham Forest's hellhole planning has exactly improved any sort of scope for it to be extended there successfully with all the stupid road closures.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 22, 2021 18:22:58 GMT
The Londoner Facebook group suggests an upcoming proposal to withdraw route 20 and replace it by extending the 56 to Woodford Wells (presumably alternate journeys?) and the W13 to Debden. I cannot see that working, there is still a lot of people from Loughton going all the way to Walthamstow There has been a lot of complaints at the Loughton end about the 20's reliability but like you, I fail to see how removing it in favour of a 56 that has it's own issues to deal with and the W13 helps anyone. A block of complaints was to do with their being no other bus into the residential area north of Loughton when the 20 plays up (bar the school only 804) as the 167 was removed
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Post by ronnie on Nov 22, 2021 18:37:28 GMT
The Londoner Facebook group suggests an upcoming proposal to withdraw route 20 and replace it by extending the 56 to Woodford Wells (presumably alternate journeys?) and the W13 to Debden. That sounds like nuts I know cuts need to be made but seems to be done by someone who has never driven a car or been on a bus. Bring on the Lycra brigade for bus planning
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Post by WH241 on Nov 22, 2021 18:38:20 GMT
Never really seen a busy W13 so wonder could anything be done with a rerouted version to Walthamstow instead of Leytonstone? And extended to Debden. This would allow the 20 to be withdrawn and no need to extend the 56.
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Post by greenboy on Nov 22, 2021 18:43:44 GMT
The Londoner Facebook group suggests an upcoming proposal to withdraw route 20 and replace it by extending the 56 to Woodford Wells (presumably alternate journeys?) and the W13 to Debden. That sounds like nuts I know cuts need to be made but seems to be done by someone who has never driven a car or been on a bus. Bring on the Lycra brigade for bus planning Surely it would make more sense to extend the 357 to Woodford Wells?
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 22, 2021 18:45:16 GMT
The Londoner Facebook group suggests an upcoming proposal to withdraw route 20 and replace it by extending the 56 to Woodford Wells (presumably alternate journeys?) and the W13 to Debden. Bring back the 38A, I say!
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 22, 2021 18:47:16 GMT
That sounds like nuts I know cuts need to be made but seems to be done by someone who has never driven a car or been on a bus. Bring on the Lycra brigade for bus planning Surely it would make more sense to extend the 357 to Woodford Wells? I imagine it can't be long before that goes especially if routes like the 168/271 are considered for withdrawal.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 22, 2021 20:52:22 GMT
The Londoner Facebook group suggests an upcoming proposal to withdraw route 20 and replace it by extending the 56 to Woodford Wells (presumably alternate journeys?) and the W13 to Debden. That sounds like nuts I know cuts need to be made but seems to be done by someone who has never driven a car or been on a bus. Bring on the Lycra brigade for bus planning Just to clear something up with this post - the person who posted it on Facebook is not exactly reliable for information so it could very easily be false.
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